Assault Engineers UP

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2015, 14:46 PMAchtAchter

You are quite wrong.
According to my experience and to the stats stormpios and assault engis are fairly equal dps wise on their effective ranges, usually positioning, closing in decides who wins this engagement.
Ingame the Stg44 of Stormpios behave more like SMGs statewise, since their Stg44 differs from the Panzergrenadier ones.

Historically, the Stg44 had also a higher rate of fire if compared to the Grease gun.


Now check the Assault Grenadiers , they have less dps, while costing the same and having less utility(but at least they have one additional entity )
This shows that Assault Engis are perfectly fine.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 16:37 PMBob Loblaw

Sturmpios 57 range 1 dps assengies 48 range 1 dps. That is not equal.

In my experience assengies never win point blank, even coming around a wall at point blank range they didn't even kill a sturmpio before being wiped. Although personal experience means nothing on this forum so whatever.

A higher rate of fire on an assault rifle means nothing when you can't control it compared to a 9mm submachine gun. When I was in the US Marines I learned to fire my M249 SAW at point blank range, that thing has a sweet rate of fire, but I would rather have a submachine gun in close quarters.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 20:06 PMAlexzandvar

No matter which way you slice it, the way SMG's and Assault Rifles work in this game is extremely stupid. The whole "Only good at point blank range" heavily encourages blobing and simply rushing up to an enemy unit instead of trying to use cover/tactics.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 20:06 PMAlexzandvar

No matter which way you slice it, the way SMG's and Assault Rifles work in this game is extremely stupid. The whole "Only good at point blank range" heavily encourages blobing and simply rushing up to an enemy unit instead of trying to use cover/tactics.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 20:24 PMdbmb

... w.. .what? How are you going to get to "point blank range" by blobbing? Your argument makes no sense.

Long range weapons are significantly more efficient when blobbing, since positioning is meaningless. Short range weapon blobs get picked apart before they can close the distance, and require tactic to get up close.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 19:51 PMRMMLz

When some say why Rifles beat Grenadiers, everyone says rifles are more expensive so they have to. But people expect Assengis to wipe Sturmpios. Personal experience does mean something, but what has happened to you was because the RNjesus. If you are lucky, your squad will focus fire on an entity and the enemy will lose 25% of their DPS. If the enemy is lucky, you'll lose 25% of your DPS. But again, at the current state, Sturmpios should beat Assengis.

And please do not argue about real life experience, you might think of it as a side note for your post, but people will focus on real life stuff and this will go off-topic :/
(I myself wanted to argue that I would always choose an assault rifle in CQC conditions, and I only have experience with MP5 and AK family. I don't know why would you choose a sub-machine gun when you have access to M16/M4 or SCAR.)

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 22:00 PMBob Loblaw

"Historically, the Stg44 had also a higher rate of fire if compared to the Grease gun."
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Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 22:24 PMRMMLz

Uuhhmmm... Someone else said that, check previous page.

Good point about dogs though.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 21:45 PMAlexzandvar

Smoke and small map size make it pretty easy to roam the map doing massive amounts of DPS using Shocks. Short range blobs have a different focus than long range blobs, since it's much easier to wipe an enemy caught up in your max DPS zone than one farther away.

You might make more people retreat with a long range blob, but you will wipe a lot more units with a close range one.

Regardless the fact that SMG's and Assault Rifles don't do well at medium range is quite silly, all DPS should be toned down but made more uniform across weapon profiles.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 22:08 PMVonIvan

AssEngis should have a small health buff, and a small short range dps nerf to balance them out a lil' better in combat situations. I feel, while they don't die as quickly as REs, they can still get insta-wiped by blobberinos in 2 seconds.