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Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 13:42 PMJohnnyB

It's not OP. It's fine, because:

1. It has a setup time, so you can see it comming and have plenty of time to duck/run;
2. It can be easily wrecked by a few PTRS/AT nades shots, not speaking about anything higher than that (like AT gun for instance).
3. It involves a certain quantity of risk because: it's more easy to be destroyed than a Puma or a PZ II and on top of that, it really delays your puma/wurframen, T4, or any other fuel based unit, you name it.

...4... not everything OKW has it's OP, really .

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 13:01 PMAustralian Magic

Yes, but why only OKW has exciting units? Flak truck, Stuka zu fuss, Luchs, Sturmtiger, Jadgtiger, King Tiger... All of these are amazing units, very rare, very powerful and they give you a lot of fun when using them. They are different, highly specialized, sometimes OP as garden but the joy is unmeasurable.
On the other hand US Forces have boring Sherman, boring Scott, boring Stuart... Shermans, Shermans all day long.
Where is Pershing? Super Pershing(), Hellcat, Calliope?

Funny fact: Only 12 game verions of flak truck were made, 18 Sturmtiger, 137 Luchs, wonder about stuka zu fuss.. Can't find... 79 Jadgtiger, 44 Ostwinds. Only one of them is doctrinal (Ostwind is non doc for Ost).
On the other hand we have over 2000 Pershings, 25 Super Pershings and 27 M26E5 Pershing with 102-279mm armor. I guess Calliope and Pershing would provide a lot of fun like OKW units.



320HP. AA truck, T70 and Stuart also have 320 but hey! They don't have smoke.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 13:59 PM__deleted__

Well I can understand the allure of big tanks, but Flak truck, Stuka, Luchs etc, exciting units?
Well, different strokes for different folks I guess. I would not mind a Pershing per se, but I dont see how it would not break the already hopeless USF vs OH dynamic... hopeless as in hopeless for OH, that is. A call-in that would enable USF to out-Tiger the Tiger, what could possibly go wrong, not to mention the Pershing saw use in all of 2(?) engagements in the ETO which would not sit too well with your own criteria. Calliope, why not, Hellcat, would be pretty redundant with Wolverine, but why not, still, all of this would be just added flavour and not remedy anything of what is wrong about this game atm.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 14:14 PM__deleted__

Well, de gustibus non est disputandum and such. I for one am not too enchanted by either Stuka or Flak truck or Luchs for that matter.

Engagements, as in fights, not units shipped etc.

US vs OKW is overall pretty reasonable actually and no comparison to OH vs US. USF has a lot of lategame nastyness and early squad wiping potential to its name, and if you manage to put the bleed early on OKW he won't be able to recover even if he endures to the lategame.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 14:18 PMAustralian Magic

Have you seen Sturmtigerfish vs Luvnest?

Wipes everywhere, 3/4 of the map in hand of USF, Luvnest still won.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 15:03 PMAlexzandvar

Assault Grens have no armor, they will die to a rifle blob just as fas as regular Grens. What Ostheer needs is either an armor buff to all Grens, or a damage increase making them more able to take down rifleman at range.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 14:08 PMAustralian Magic

in Eurpe there were 310 Pershing and 200 of them were assigned to divisions. It's still more than 1 Sturmtiger.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 15:23 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

Wut? There were only 20 pershings that actually saw combat in WW2

18 Sturmtigers were built in total and 7 Sturmtigers were used during the Ardennes Offensive.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 14:08 PMAustralian Magic

Of course they are exciting. Powerful barrage wiping line after line of support weapons, sneak behind and wipe everything with Luchs, Flak truck as well - it's different unit than any other.
2? I belive you meant Super Pershing because in Eurpe there were 310 Pershing and 200 of them were assigned to divisions. It's still more than 1 Sturmtiger.
Wonder how many of those 12 flaks saw battle...
USF vs OST mechanic is broken. Same for USF vs OKW. If you won't win by 20-25min it's gg for you most of the time but this is problem of broken design of units, tiers and factions.

Ostheer vs Soviets was balanced quite good.
USF vs Ostheer needs some small adjustments.
But OKW... This faction is just broken.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 15:03 PMAlexzandvar

Assault Grens have no armor, they will die to a rifle blob just as fas as regular Grens. What Ostheer needs is either an armor buff to all Grens, or a damage increase making them more able to take down rifleman at range.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2015, 16:41 PMKatitof

They are not meant to take down rifleman at range, they are meant to be slightly disadvantaged at range.