PPSh-41 needs a buff, or?
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Give them a little bit armor with vet and they will be fine.
I think armour is for shocks. They shouldnt be as good as shocks
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I think armour is for shocks. They shouldnt be as good as shocks
I think people saying "armour" is just a holdover from the first half of CoH2's life where infantry had armour instead of lower received accuracy.
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PPSH forces conscripts to close in ALL the time and makes them very useless except for those few ocassions you can ambush stuff around the corner.
Shocks are a bit different since they can afford to close in because of their 1.5 armor.
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PPShs are okay, Cons are not... They are the worst basic infantry arguably in all respects. They're good at vetting thanks to their squad size, but the veterancy does bugger all...
I think the ppsh upgrade is ok as is. It's cheap and specializes the squad into an assault squad (with oorah). I just think the recieved accuracy penalty cons got a few patches back needs to go. I'm not even sure why it was added. Cons have lowish dps because they're supposed to be tougher with the larger squad size; with the penalty and the new cover mechanic though, cons feel really squishy.
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I think Cons die to fast and in large number to Armor shots. (like most other infantry) but thats another story
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The amount of people suggesting to buff cons is disturbing. Cons do really well, especially against Wehrmacht. Against OKW it's a bit tricky due to the idiotic Vet 5 system and Obers (in that case OKW needs to be reworked not the cons). With the use of sandbags they are viable till the late game aswell. The Conscripts themselves are fine, it's the PPSH-41 upgrade that sucks. I'd rather have a dedicated close range Shocktroops squad with more survivability than a Conscript squad that only deals damage at point blank range after the upgrade.
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