OKW Combined arms
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I had 6 different units supported by armor (Panther and Luch. whatever its called)
4 different types of infantry units, couple of raketen's and 7.5mm Lei
That's 8 different units. It's actually more different types of units than my opponents.
They are right tho, I was blobbing. It's just natural to soften with 7.5 barage, attack with inf and raketen's. As soon as trouble comes retreat everything and discourage counter with Panther and Luch.
Rinse and repeat step 1 and step 2 until opponent collapses (or you get hit by Katy or something)
Basically I was blobbing with combined arms
I am afraid to try US. Playing vs US it looked like even less interesting tactically......
design
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Permanently BannedWHAT COMBINED ARMS?
they just spam infantry
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blobbing is different from spamming. it sounds like you might be been blobbing (hard with non-soviet support weapons though) but weren't spamming
Technically you are right. Tho spamming leads into blobbing
Point is, it's very hard not to spam infantry and fight in blobbing fashion (attack and retreat en-mass) when there is very few units that offer alternative.
I am not happy with that design. It reminds me of Brit design in COH - emplacement + PE infantry
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Awfully designed faction...
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They cannot rely on anything but units buildable from mp. They are maybe overperforming, so make them buy their upgrades for obers, fallschirms, JLIs (if an 100% amo income, otherwise no way). Volks blobs? Make them less durable, like maybe 4 men per squad, but do something about that stupid raketen. These are the ways you may make an OKW player to combo more.
OKW has its design, you may like it or not, it's not gonna change. I like its design, but this is me. ...What the garden do you expect from an army conceived as if it will give its last breath? (german army '45).
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The most interesting feature of OKW combined arms at the moment is their vehicle repertoire. However, since all you see these days is T34/85s, EZ8s and IS-2s, you pretty much have to save up for panthers and get one at 10cp or get wrecked by some serious enemy armor. Having to save up all your fuel prevents the use of OKW light vehicles, so all you see is the same old infantry spam into heavy armor.
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its that selecting all infantry and a-moving forward is so effective
and the blob keeps comming back with more units and more vet
the only thing that works against it is getting squadwipes
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the issue is not if there is enough combined arms
its that selecting all infantry and a-moving forward is so effective
and the blob keeps comming back with more units and more vet
the only thing that works against it is getting squadwipes
This. To add one more thing in my book if someone uses 6 volks but attacks from six directions and overwhelms the enemy and encircles his position is not blobbing but tactics. But if you attack from one direction its blobing. Easy definition.
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Volks/Kubel, Volks, Volks, Volks -> Luchs/Obers, Obers, Obers -> Panther.
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I remember when people were complaining about soviets lacking combined arms due to their tier structure and being all about spam. It is somewhat true.
However, when designing OKW, they gave blob and spam a whoooole new meaning.
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I built MGs if possible, Kübelwagen, LeIG, Raketenwerfer, Panther and sometimes even the Uhu.
The sad thing is I lose pretty often with this.
If I just blob Panzershreck Volks I win way more often.
This should not be.
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I am trying to play combined arms with okw...
I built MGs if possible, Kübelwagen, LeIG, Raketenwerfer, Panther and sometimes even the Uhu.
The sad thing is I lose pretty often with this.
If I just blob Panzershreck Volks I win way more often.
This should not be.
I used to play OKW often. My build order was Kubel- one extra Sturmpioneer - Volks -Volks - Medic Truck -MG-34 (one or two)- Uhu. Play with that until I had enough fuel for a Mechanized truck.
Stuka zu Fuss - Puma - Schwerer Panzer HQ
Panther.
But then the Sturmpioneers were bitched about being "OP" when they were really only good in close quarters.. and then they were nerfed. Then the Kubel was buffed to be great, then it was moderately decent, now it's "okay" but no substitute for an MG-34 team really.
MG-34 was terrible, then buffed to be as good as the MG-42, now it's kinda crappy again.
Raketenwerfer was actually decent at start, then it got nerfed, and nerfed, and nerfed some more. Now it's hot-crap.
Now I don't really play OKW anymore, I have more fun with Ostheer Close Air Support in team games.
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I used to play OKW often. My build order was Kubel- one extra Sturmpioneer - Volks -Volks - Medic Truck -MG-34 (one or two)- Uhu. Play with that until I had enough fuel for a Mechanized truck.
Stuka zu Fuss - Puma - Schwerer Panzer HQ
Panther.
But then the Sturmpioneers were bitched about being "OP" when they were really only good in close quarters.. and then they were nerfed. Then the Kubel was buffed to be great, then it was moderately decent, now it's "okay" but no substitute for an MG-34 team really.
MG-34 was terrible, then buffed to be as good as the MG-42, now it's kinda crappy again.
Raketenwerfer was actually decent at start, then it got nerfed, and nerfed, and nerfed some more. Now it's hot-crap.
Now I don't really play OKW anymore, I have more fun with Ostheer Close Air Support in team games.
You are kidding right?
Kubel is just awesome and incredibly powerful early unit combined with sturmpios. Unless I fuck up terribly and lose it, that Kubel serves me very well late into the game.
Sturmpios are quite deadly AI unit that fixes armor and also detects mines. They scale well into late game and stay a must have unit entire game.
You just singled out two units that play big part in making OKW very powerful army as crap.
You don't use them as you should in my opinion
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This. To add one more thing in my book if someone uses 6 volks but attacks from six directions and overwhelms the enemy and encircles his position is not blobbing but tactics. But if you attack from one direction its blobing. Easy definition.
Most players with decent skill will do what you describe. Plus take cover with their long range infantry, close in with good short range inf, throw nades, etc.
I do too, but blobbing it still is. Blobbing is large blob of infantry that shows up, does its damage and retreats to safety.
As one does not have AT guns, machine guns, mortars one does not have to worry about those getting killed/taken by enemy. While blob is getting healed and reinforced
Hence blob-ing
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I am trying to play combined arms with okw...
I built MGs if possible, Kübelwagen, LeIG, Raketenwerfer, Panther and sometimes even the Uhu.
The sad thing is I lose pretty often with this.
If I just blob Panzershreck Volks I win way more often.
This should not be.
Yes, it is very unnatural, hard and mostly results in loss. Most of vehicles outside Kubel and Luch are just hurting player as drain on fuel without much return for cost
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You are kidding right?
Kubel is just awesome and incredibly powerful early unit combined with sturmpios. Unless I fuck up terribly and lose it, that Kubel serves me very well late into the game.
Sturmpios are quite deadly AI unit that fixes armor and also detects mines. They scale well into late game and stay a must have unit entire game.
You just singled out two units that play big part in making OKW very powerful army as crap.
You don't use them as you should in my opinion
I think Sturmpioneer range being at 3 is way too low, it should go back to where it was at 8. That would make them work well at their jobs without having to basically hump the legs of any infantry they engage.
For reference, Almost all SMG users now have a range of 10! So this would still put them below them in terms of optimal damage and range, despite the fact that they use Assault Rifles.
I mean hot damn there were people saying Shocks were great except for the fact they had to hump legs to do damage! Relic has basically inflicted the past treatment of Shocktroopers onto Sturmpioneers.
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Permanently BannedSo what is OKW supposed to do with that fuel shortage? Build vehicles? Combine them with infantry? Maybe some raketenwerfers ?
for the love of the RNG gods
STOP bringing up OKW resourse shortages!
it doesn't matter when okw have the cheapest t4 in the game and can convert both muni and FUEL
their prices are fit to their shortage.
if u don't believe me?
then plz explain with mg upgrades on tanks are cheaper then any other faction.
Explain why obers get their lmg for free?
explain why luchs is 50 fuel yet outperforms all other light tanks?
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