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Fantasy Faction IX: Medium Tank

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What Medium Tank?
105mm Bulldozer Sherman - 9CPFlakpanzer IV Ostwind - T3KV1- 8cpKV8 - 9CPM5A1 Stuart - T2M4A3 Sherman -T4M4A3E8 Sherman 'Easy Eight' - 9CPM8A1 Howitzer Motor CarriagePanzer II Ausf. L ‘Luchs’ - T4Panzer IV - T3 (OKH, see bottom for OKW)Panther PzKpfw VStuG III Ausf. E - 6CPStuG III Ausf. G - T3Sturmpanzer IV "Brummbär"SU76 - T4T34 - T3T34/85 - 10CP (One only)T70 - T3Veteran Panzer IV Ausf J. Battle Group - 9CP
Option Distribution Votes
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Total votes: 44 (Locked)
3 Dec 2014, 19:51 PM
#1
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Puma's took the Light Vehicle slot, with only 35% of the vote but still twice as much as anyone else


http://www.coh2.org/topic/25090/fantasy-faction-i-builder-units

http://www.coh2.org/topic/25222/fantasy-faction-ii-core-infantry

http://www.coh2.org/topic/25382/fantasy-faction-iii-elite-infantry

http://www.coh2.org/topic/25584/fantasy-faction-iv-elite-infantry

http://www.coh2.org/topic/25935/fantasy-faction-v-machine-guns

http://www.coh2.org/topic/26653/fantasy-faction-vi-indirect-fire

http://www.coh2.org/topic/26896/fantasy-faction-vii-direct-fire-artillery

http://www.coh2.org/topic/27497/fantasy-faction-viii-light-vehicles



Builder Unit: Sturmpioneers OKW 58%

Core Infantry: Grenadiers Ostheer 32%

Elite Infantry: Obersoldaten OKW 28%

Unlockable Upgrade: IR STG 44 OKW 47%

Machine Gun: MG42 Ostheer 50%

Indirect Fire: 120mm Soviet 50%

Direct Fire: PaK-40 Ostheer 67%

Light Vehicle: Puma OKW 35%



Faction now looks like this:


T0: Sturmpioneers

T1: Grenadiers, MG42

T2: PAK 40, Puma

T4: Obersoldaten

CP2: 120mm Mortar

CP3: IR STG


We are unable to build caches, but Grenadiers can build bunkers and Sturms can salvage

Tech structure will be similar to OKH, but costs will not necessarily be the same

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I am skipping over Light Tank here and will come back to it later.

There has been recently some unrelated work on "Tank Destroyers" albeit in a different sense to the one I shall use

Instead I shall go straight to medium tank.

What will be the bread and butter armour unit?

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This is again somewhat arbitrary, but I've taken the base as the lightest vehicles that did not make it into the last poll (Luchs, T-70, Stuart) and capped it out at the Panther.

If the Panther gets in, then the KV-1 should too despite nominally being a Heavy; and I have included things like the KV-8 and Brummbar because they don't count up with the heavies

Pure Tank destroyers with no AI are not in here
3 Dec 2014, 19:56 PM
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I thnik Luchs and T70 should be treated as Light Tank or something like that. Don;t You think?
3 Dec 2014, 20:02 PM
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Surprised the Panzer IV is ahead, considering for just 10 fuel more you have the far superior Easy Eight.
3 Dec 2014, 20:04 PM
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Most vehicles are going to overlap in more than one option.

There will be a "Light AFV" poll at some point, which will take the largest stuff from the previous poll and the smallest ones from this one

Heavies will probably include the KVs and Panthers
3 Dec 2014, 20:05 PM
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I thnik Luchs and T70 should be treated as Light Tank or something like that. Don;t You think?


I will also be surprised if anyone votes for them

And why those two but not the Stuart (I'm drawing somewhat arbitrary lines, so I have no expectation people will agree with them, all I can do is explain my reasoning)
3 Dec 2014, 20:17 PM
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T-34/85 hands down
3 Dec 2014, 20:17 PM
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And why those two but not the Stuart (I'm drawing somewhat arbitrary lines, so I have no expectation people will agree with them, all I can do is explain my reasoning)


The Stuart is there, 5th one down.
3 Dec 2014, 20:23 PM
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P4, you have Puma and Pak for AT so you don't neccesarily need the extra AT from E8. The 85s was a close call if not for its late arrival.
3 Dec 2014, 20:34 PM
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This is tough for me

I loves my KV1s, especially as how there will be a true heavy tank in the faction

My head though says Panther or 34/85
3 Dec 2014, 20:36 PM
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Sherman M4 by far. He is so good considering his AOE is much better than the t-34/76 and panzer IV.
3 Dec 2014, 20:41 PM
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I will also be surprised if anyone votes for them

And why those two but not the Stuart (I'm drawing somewhat arbitrary lines, so I have no expectation people will agree with them, all I can do is explain my reasoning)


My bad, did not notice Stuart is here :)
4 Dec 2014, 05:36 AM
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wait, is this a "favorite medium tank" poll or a "best medium tank" poll?
4 Dec 2014, 05:51 AM
#13
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Funny how this faction is starting to just look like Wher+OKW.
4 Dec 2014, 13:45 PM
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wait, is this a "favorite medium tank" poll or a "best medium tank" poll?


Neither, best medium tank to complement the rest of the faction


I admit to being somewhat surprised that the PIV is winning right now, because no one has posted why
4 Dec 2014, 13:52 PM
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the faction is gonna be pretty bad in practice, I think

You have
sturmpios- expensive, no flamethrower
grenadiers- good late game, early on pretty subpar
120mm Mortar- good but very expensive
MG42- No comment

So you end up with a faction that's pretty much wehrmacht, but worse against any kind of garrison camping rifle/conspam with no flamethrower and an unaffordable mortar- and wehr already has a hard time vs that. Add to that an expensive light vehicle with little anti-infantry power and elite infantry that you have to tech for, unlike paratroopers or shocks- I think regular rifles to M20 or conspam to call-ins/T70 will beat this faction handily.
4 Dec 2014, 15:07 PM
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Neither, best medium tank to complement the rest of the faction


I admit to being somewhat surprised that the PIV is winning right now, because no one has posted why

Panzer IV perfectly combines great AI and good AT, gets an actual useful vet 1 ability and scales to lategame thanks to the armored skirts at vet 2. It also comes at a time when you want your medium tank.
4 Dec 2014, 21:14 PM
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Neither, best medium tank to complement the rest of the faction


I admit to being somewhat surprised that the PIV is winning right now, because no one has posted why


oh, well then stuart shouldn't be on the list and i shouldn't have voted for it. although a stuart with pumas would be decent and cheap.
7 Dec 2014, 10:19 AM
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