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12 Dec 2014, 11:55 AM
#61
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Aaaaaaaand here you go :)



It shows really great what are advantages of each tank, and how use it to make most use of them.


Actually, you've only shown that you should pray to RNGesus, because statistically, Tiger Ace should win against vet3 IS-2 at any range. And the TA has the biggest edge at long range (which in your video it lost).
12 Dec 2014, 12:17 PM
#62
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Actually, you've only shown that you should pray to RNGesus, because statistically, Tiger Ace should win against vet3 IS-2 at any range. And the TA has the biggest edge at long range (which in your video it lost).


it's not pure RNG. It's about distance. TA should not win at any range. It won 3/10 fights so...
It;s very simple. If you have vet 3 IS-2 and see Tiger Ace, keep it at 30-40.
12 Dec 2014, 13:12 PM
#63
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it's not pure RNG. It's about distance. TA should not win at any range. It won 3/10 fights so...
It;s very simple. If you have vet 3 IS-2 and see Tiger Ace, keep it at 30-40.


Did you do any maths to support your claims? Sample of only 10 fights is pretty RNG dependant.

As for the maths:
TA will kill IS-2 about 9,2% faster at close range, front armour.
TA will kill IS-2 about 17% faster at max range, front armour.
TA will kill IS-2 about 13% faster at close range, rear armour.

The edge isn't huge and on each of those ranges TA can lose. But your claim is just false.
12 Dec 2014, 13:31 PM
#64
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So I wonder why TA killed IS only 3 times out of 10.
12 Dec 2014, 14:11 PM
#65
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So I wonder why TA killed IS only 3 times out of 10.


Because small sample size is flawed? Try performing the test a bit more times, like at least 100 (though preferably more).

Also, from a purely stat point of view, it doesn't make any sense that IS-2 wins with TA more at long range - after all, IS-2 loses more of it's penetrating power at longer ranges than the TA.
TA has 180 pen at long range vs 220 at short. That's ~22% more pen at short range than long.
IS-2 has 190 pen at long range vs 250 at short. That's ~31% more pen at short range than long.
As it shows, IS-2 gains more from closing in.
12 Dec 2014, 16:19 PM
#66
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Because small sample size is flawed? Try performing the test a bit more times, like at least 100 (though preferably more).

Also, from a purely stat point of view, it doesn't make any sense that IS-2 wins with TA more at long range - after all, IS-2 loses more of it's penetrating power at longer ranges than the TA.
TA has 180 pen at long range vs 220 at short. That's ~22% more pen at short range than long.
IS-2 has 190 pen at long range vs 250 at short. That's ~31% more pen at short range than long.
As it shows, IS-2 gains more from closing in.


Im mobile, I dont have numbers in front of me, but Tiger has 43% chance to penetrate, IS has 65%. Thats the key.
12 Dec 2014, 16:58 PM
#67
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Im mobile, I dont have numbers in front of me, but Tiger has 43% chance to penetrate, IS has 65%. Thats the key.


No, that's not they key, TA is losing less of it's performance at range than the IS-2.
As shown here:

IS-2:
Long range chance to penetrate TA: 63%
Point blank chance to penetrate TA: 83%
It's 25% (% not % points) less effective at long range than up close.

TA:
Long range chance to penetrate IS-2: 48%
Short range chance to penetrate IS-2: 59%
It's about 19% (again, % not % points) less effective at long range than up close.

Anyway, the point is - your video about the TA vs vet3 IS-2 doesn't really show anything else than the fact that RNG is a big part of this game, with TA losing against IS-2 at range where it has the biggest advantage, while winning at other ranges where it's advantage isn't as great.

But again, just because TA has an advantage at all ranges (and biggest one at max range) it doesn't mean it will always win. Except at close range rear armour fight - here it will win all the time (because there's no RNG involved).
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