Mark Target

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:27 PMRomeo

I don't necessarily think it should be nerfed, just that it should be changed such that no synergies exist that allow the most expensive units in the game to be killed in one shot.

Which makes it even more important to change. When overpowered abilities are gated behind a few commanders, those commanders are the only ones you ever see and the meta becomes very stale. Soviets need other ways to take out these units. Preferably ones that involve more than clicking one button.

If soviets lack other options then that's a separate problem that should be addressed as well.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:36 PMJinseual

That's impossible, one ISU does 240 damage, so two ISUs does 480 damage + market targets = 960 damage and since two ISUs fired twice that's 1920........

HOLY SHIT!!!

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:36 PM☭ Калашникова ☭

Not every Wehr doctrine gets smoke, and as far as I know OKW doesn't get it on there tanks unless they drive a puma up and smoke it.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:37 PMRomeo

No name calling or personal attacks please.

There is no way to justify a nerf to the Jagdtiger if these abilities will remain the same. The Jagdtiger is undeniably overpowered. If mark target is questionable now, what will it be if the Jagd is nerfed? It should be tweaked such that it is viable but not required.


Again, on its own in 1v1 for example it isn't really that bad. In 2v2+ it's problematic. That's why I'd like to see it changed in a way that maintains its 1v1 potency but balances it out in team games.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:40 PMThe_rEd_bEar

The same can be said about marktarget, whats your point?

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:32 PMQueenRatchet123

yea its too strong.

double isu's double shotted my KT once

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:37 PMRomeo

Again, on its own in 1v1 for example it isn't really that bad. In 2v2+ it's problematic. That's why I'd like to see it changed in a way that maintains its 1v1 potency but balances it out in team games.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:44 PM☭ Калашникова ☭

What im saying is Germans can't just 'lulblitzbainoobs' out of everything with smoke,

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:38 PMNinjaWJ

Romeo, that is a hypothetical situation. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but that requires so many situations and variables that i doubt makes it a common occurrence.

I know having those abilities makes the commander more appealing...but all the other commanders are very lackluster... Now you are proposing nerfs to B4, Mark Target.. ISU is coming soon...there will be no more Soviet late game.

And i disagree with your statement on discussing these balance changes as "vacuum" discussions. These units and abilities have a strong relationship to their respective faction design. Additionally, these abilities and units also have a cross-factional relationship to other units. Discussing Mark Target alone would ignore how the ability plays into the Soviet meta. It would be easier to discuss one unit and only one unit if all factions were symmetrically balanced.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:49 PMbraciszek

So...

Its okay for German stuff to do what it wants because it costs so much...

But proper Allied investments of the same magnitude shouldn't be rewarding...

Can we remove Allies please? Germans on Germans? I bet the game would be super balanced then because of logic.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2014, 17:56 PM☭ Калашникова ☭

The only problem is 0 counterplay nothing you can do can prevent it or stop it.