Do you think Grenadier LMG too strong?
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against obserdaton, is ok, becuase obserdaton comes relatively later and expensive too build.
against stormpio or PG, it is fine, as long as you are in green cover, you can still manage shot some guy.
against grenadier with LMG, is not ok, because grenadier only cost 240 Mp, ostheer can just spam LMG with 4 or 5 grenadiers, conscript can not stand a chance,
For me, grenadier with LMG just like obserdaton even with more ability like rifle nade and panzerfaust.
i suggest that Nerf LMG, like nerfing its accuracy.
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This isn't so much "is Grenadier LMG too strong" as it is "are LMG's too strong". I would like to see LMG's reworked to either do flat DPS at any range, or just add ~5DPS to the squads output at all ranges. I don't think you can really nerf the LMG 42 anymore without lowering the price for it.
this but also,
i think it isn't gren lmg that is too strong, but the problem lie on cons lacking permanent muni upgrade like lmg or assault rifle. this makes them scale really poorly compared to volks, grens with lmg, and bar rifles.
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OK riflemen has 1918 and 1919. but one 1919 cant beat one LMG...
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As Soviet, I really do not enjoy the Cons vs Axis infantry meta that exists now. Cons drop off too much in the late game, which fails to reward players for keeping cons alive. Make no mistake, experience is a resource. Starting units surviving to late game with veterancy and upgraded weapons is core gameplay for the other three factions.
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I like them where they are at. I definitely feel (rightfully) strong when my Grens have LMGs, and it is a core part of how I play Wehrmacht. They provide excellent firepower from a distance and are limited to only one [purchasable via upgrade].
As Soviet, I really do not enjoy the Cons vs Axis infantry meta that exists now. Cons drop off too much in the late game, which fails to reward players for keeping cons alive. Make no mistake, experience is a resource. Starting units surviving to late game with veterancy and upgraded weapons is core gameplay for the other three factions.
i agree, especially with the second paragraph
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On topic: grenadiers are among the weakest infantry currently while their are vanilla. Along time, they were nerfed, their lmg was nerfed. More nerfing would make them useless. Even in current state, they become to be usefull from vet level 2. Untill then, you fight 2 seconds then you run back if you want to preserve your squad.
Conscripts are not that weak, molotovs are very usefull now especialy because of the new cover system and ppsh upgrade makes them very dangerous.
In conclusion I don't think lmg 42 needs any change.
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On topic: grenadiers are among the weakest infantry currently while their are vanilla.
i'm sorry, but can you expand on this? in what way are they 'among the weakest'? are you talking about in terms of durability? scale-ability? versatility? vet bonuses wise? etc etc?
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i'm sorry, but can you expand on this? in what way are they 'among the weakest'? are you talking about in terms of durability? scale-ability? versatility? vet bonuses wise? etc etc?
As described in my post, in terms of durability, mainly.
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i think it isn't gren lmg that is too strong, but the problem lie on cons lacking permanent muni upgrade like lmg or assault rifle. this makes them scale really poorly compared to volks, grens with lmg, and bar rifles.
Yeah it'd be nice of Conscripts got PPSh upgrades or something. I find Conscripts much easier to use and more effective when they have PPSh's. The PPSh's themselves could be a modified version that retains at least Mosin DPS over range (so as to not punish the player at all for choosing them, because the LMG doesn't). That might mess with doctrines though. Maybe change the doctrine ability from PPSh upgrade to to "Assault Conscripts" with 3PPSh, ability to purchase 3 more, F1 Grenades (just use pineapple model), no received accuracy, and this badass icon:
(won't lie, I just wanna see that icon get used, it's cool)
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Like seriously, Grenadiers can't even double equip anymore for G-43 + LMG42, why should American rifles be able to?
But like, whatever - I already know this thread is going to turn into an Axis hate train and say "LMG-Grens are OP and need nerfed!".
Why bother trying to speak reasonably right?
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How is wehrmacht (OST) going to stop shocks, BARs, Guards, SMGs?
panzergrenadier wont do it, they already die like butter melts in the sun by any unit. I guess your next topic will be, "nerf the panzergrenadier", and followed by "nerf the scout car"...
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