Luchs and 222

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 21:15 PMZeaviS

Oh! Oh! I know!

The first one is the 222, the second one is the M3.

Seriously, why do you guys need something that costs only 15 to be a wrecking machine? You know why the luchs is so much better? Because it costs 50 ( or 75 if you want to take into account okw fuel econ ) fuel.

It costs only 20 mp more than a m3 scout car, which it demolishes once it gets the autocannon. With proper micro it can kill an M20 as well, which costs 20 fuel. Should we also buff the M20 then?

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 17:08 PM__deleted__

222 has always sucked, except when relic changed the cover system then it became OP for a little while and then it was nerfed.

It's barely a counter to snipers.

I never buy it and instead get the half track for quick reinforce and flame upgrade at t2.

What if it got a buff to being harder to hit when on the move? might make more survivable. It's total trash atm if there's any american player because of bazookas.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 05:23 AMhannibalbarcajr

which is why in Somalia the warlord faction soldiers were able to kill almost as many US soldiers as they lost since they had AK47 automatics and truck mounted HMGs....

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 09:18 AMNuclear Arbitor

that is exactly his point; he was being sarcastic.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 05:39 AMhannibalbarcajr

after the flammenwerfer nerf, it seems like a huge risk for 120 muni's, I mean they have to get so close to unleash their flames that an oorah conscript will easily be able to AT nade you unless you are supremely careful or always have mg support. i like using them as reinforcement then if they get to vet 2, put flames on.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2014, 03:51 AMatouba

Sure the 222 has same level of HP with M3 and has autocannon. But 222 comes out later than M3. And it need 55 munitions to upgrade autocannon weapon.

222 can kill a M20? You must be joking... M20 crews have bazookas man... The crew can just abondond the vehicle and make 222 stoping firing on M20 and kill 222.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 05:31 AMhannibalbarcajr

M3 available immediately, needs no ammo upgrade and can carry units to project power....222 needs 55 ammo to be worth a darn, requires tech which means an opponent will have some kind of counter out if they aren't being foolish/overconfident.

If it gets better armor, which it should to not be so intensive it should also get a MP and fuel cost increase so it isn't a cheap shredder but it will still be dead meat to guards/zis and a single at nade from a conscript with oorah which slows it to a crawl.

Just because it comes out later, doesn't mean it should overperform for cost. If you want to give it more armor, then I'd be in favor of it with a cost increase

Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 16:19 PMtheblitz6794

Luchs is heavier and has tracks. Therefore more stable firing platform. Therefore more accurate. In the abstraction of CoH 2, that means it's more effective overall, which means more damage, accuracy, ect, all porportioned to balance ofc.

So there. Luchs has same gun but is not the same tank.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2014, 21:41 PMHardworkingBulldozer

The 222 destroys caches, M3s and M5s, Pries, M8A1, Kats, F-Positions etc. And it only costs 20 fuel. WTF?

And yet, it sucks against Inf. Such a weird unit.