This patch is fricken amazing! Big changes in a really good way.
Good job Relic, really. You have put all the doubters out there to shame. Great changes, my enthusiasm for this game has reached new heights.
Open Beta Changelog
22 Oct 2014, 00:29 AM
#61
22 Oct 2014, 00:31 AM
#62
Posts: 118
I have a feeling the JT was nerfed only because the ISU did...
The JT nerf is actually a huge buff to all allied armor. Previously, a JT was so scary that you'd think twice before moving your tanks towards the enemy.
Now the sherman blobs will just roll in, take a shot, go 'meh' and then keep rolling
The ISU and JT have very different roles and thus different impact on a game. Applying an identical mechanic to both of them seems wrong.
Also, as Cythia said, this patch notes is not complete :
"This Beta content is only a portion of what will be going into the final October Update!"
Source
The JT nerf is actually a huge buff to all allied armor. Previously, a JT was so scary that you'd think twice before moving your tanks towards the enemy.
Now the sherman blobs will just roll in, take a shot, go 'meh' and then keep rolling
The ISU and JT have very different roles and thus different impact on a game. Applying an identical mechanic to both of them seems wrong.
Also, as Cythia said, this patch notes is not complete :
"This Beta content is only a portion of what will be going into the final October Update!"
Source
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22 Oct 2014, 00:34 AM
#63
Posts: 68
Couple of ninja changes, will take a while to actually shift through the patch so this is very much a work in progress. More tomorrow, perhaps.
Paratrooper lieutenant/captain bonuses removed, accuracy bonus at vet2 nerfed back from 1.4 to 1.25*
Stuart shell shock lost deflection damage (50% --> 0%), reload speed slowed (1.5 --> 1.75), scatter decreased
Pack Howitzer AOE decreased from 6 to 4, scatter reduced
Raketenwerfer can be suppressed
.50 cal vet2 penetration nerfed to be same as vet0 gun (1.5 --> 1 far)
EZ8 400/145 --> 380/140, Armor 215 --> 200
Ostruppen given 1.2 armor
Sherman smoke wind up/wind down removed, reload shortened and scatter reduced.
*Accuracy bonus nerf does not apply to Recon paratroopers
Thanks for sifting through this. Will be interesting to see if some of these are unintended or they just forgot to mention.
22 Oct 2014, 00:42 AM
#64
Posts: 91
Couple of ninja changes, will take a while to actually shift through the patch so this is very much a work in progress. More tomorrow, perhaps.
Paratrooper lieutenant/captain bonuses removed, accuracy bonus at vet2 nerfed back from 1.4 to 1.25*
Stuart shell shock lost deflection damage (50% --> 0%), reload speed slowed (1.5 --> 1.75), scatter decreased
Pack Howitzer AOE decreased from 6 to 4, scatter reduced
Raketenwerfer can be suppressed
.50 cal vet2 penetration nerfed to be same as vet0 gun (1.5 --> 1 far)
EZ8 400/145 --> 380/140, Armor 215 --> 200
Ostruppen given 1.2 armor
Sherman smoke wind up/wind down removed, reload shortened and scatter reduced.
*Accuracy bonus nerf does not apply to Recon paratroopers
Thanks, Cruzz!
I wonder if that Sherman smoke change means it can be used on the move now without stopping the tank.
22 Oct 2014, 00:42 AM
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looks good. thx relic
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22 Oct 2014, 00:43 AM
#66
Posts: 2779
BIGGEST ALLIES PATCH EVER.
Most retarded change: Jeep reverted. Pak40 nerf.
Going to spam USF and Soviet 1v1 from now on.
OKW 1v1 was dead in previous patch in my eyes, even more dead in da future.
Most retarded change: Jeep reverted. Pak40 nerf.
Going to spam USF and Soviet 1v1 from now on.
OKW 1v1 was dead in previous patch in my eyes, even more dead in da future.
22 Oct 2014, 00:46 AM
#67
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I played already a game with BAR on my riflemen. They seem to do quite good now! Need more games to test though.
Cover seems to work way better now, none of the models get out of green cover like it happened every time.
No more USF HMG circling around when moving or retreating.
First game in BETA and received 2 war spoils
No wonder why this is happening:
Every allies player is excited today. They also gave us all the commanders to try:
Cover seems to work way better now, none of the models get out of green cover like it happened every time.
No more USF HMG circling around when moving or retreating.
First game in BETA and received 2 war spoils
No wonder why this is happening:
Every allies player is excited today. They also gave us all the commanders to try:
22 Oct 2014, 01:02 AM
#68
Posts: 1595 | Subs: 2
Are those new commanders?!
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22 Oct 2014, 01:04 AM
#69
Posts: 2053
Sounds exciting. I shall actually attempt playing USF again later to see if the slight adjustments made life better.
Anyways, the bug fixes are a huge welcome. Hopefully retreat is fixed and stupid things like cancelled retreats and suppressed on retreat will never happen again. Balancing in moderation is what moves things forward.
Anyways, the bug fixes are a huge welcome. Hopefully retreat is fixed and stupid things like cancelled retreats and suppressed on retreat will never happen again. Balancing in moderation is what moves things forward.
22 Oct 2014, 01:07 AM
#70
Posts: 1158
The axis ninja strikes in secret
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
22 Oct 2014, 01:12 AM
#71
Posts: 2070
HOPE is restored.
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
22 Oct 2014, 01:26 AM
#72
Posts: 219
Still no fix to MGs in buildings?
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22 Oct 2014, 01:31 AM
#73
Posts: 39
No changes for USF late game?
Hope its just no changes yet. Otherwise gg Relic.
Hope its just no changes yet. Otherwise gg Relic.
22 Oct 2014, 01:33 AM
#74
5 Posts: 115
Are those new commanders?!
No, they're just all the commanders available right now. You can use them all with a countdown of 150hours.
I don't think I noticed it before but deflected shots sound really great now, you can hear your tank failing to penetrate the enemy armor even when you're a bit far from the action.
BAR buff make them feel OK now. I guess the best players could say their word but for now they seem a viable option.
22 Oct 2014, 02:16 AM
#75
Posts: 2280 | Subs: 2
Permanently BannedJT and ISU got over nerfed. they need way too much micro and cost too much
otherwise. great patch. games runs better. and OBS is GREAT!
otherwise. great patch. games runs better. and OBS is GREAT!
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
22 Oct 2014, 02:28 AM
#76
Posts: 665
JT and ISU got over nerfed. they need way too much micro and cost too much
otherwise. great patch. games runs better. and OBS is GREAT!
I'd much, much rather these units be bad than be lolOP like they were.
22 Oct 2014, 02:44 AM
#77
Posts: 467
WC51 0 CP wtf relic
22 Oct 2014, 02:44 AM
#78
Posts: 140
I'd much, much rather these units be bad than be lolOP like they were.
I only see one issue with this... when you click on a "target" and it goes out of range the unit will start to follow. So you must click stop after each attack when the enemy unit goes out of range. Nice fix to that could be a "lock down" like the Marder III from vCOH. Without a cooldown to escape bombing runs.
The rest is just #L2P #adapt
Otherwise patch looks good so far.
22 Oct 2014, 02:46 AM
#79
Posts: 818
LMFAO Ostruppen have armor
I deffinatley like the pack howtizer change direction it wiped squads or missed too much though it is still dumb that it does 80 damage vet 0, and 160 damage at vet 2
Also don't understand why paras can't have 1.4 which is exactly the same bonus accuracy for obers and Grens, they have changed this value like 4 times and i don't understand why
Edit:Hell even conscripts have 1.4 accuracy bonuses
ez8 i think is a nerf too, people don't get it b/c it has 640 hp and is too slow, while still being relieably penned by paks, though paks were nefed, so ig it will be better in game
This patch is pretty good though, not alot of changes, but virtually all of them are in a good direction with comments on things they do need to look at
Unfortunatley OKW may be too far down the weird hole to ever be satisfying to a majority of players(be it balance, playstyle, design)
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22 Oct 2014, 02:58 AM
#80
Posts: 331
2 thoughts:
Biggest changes since game released and a lot of it looks great so thats good.
The movment, weapon tracking and infantry responsiveness as well as predictabilty of buildings is straight out of coh and people love it.. seems like any change that brings the game closer to COH mechanics wise is a step in the right direction guess the old pros were right all along.
So congrats on actually making changes butshame on ypu for ruining them a in the first place.
Biggest changes since game released and a lot of it looks great so thats good.
The movment, weapon tracking and infantry responsiveness as well as predictabilty of buildings is straight out of coh and people love it.. seems like any change that brings the game closer to COH mechanics wise is a step in the right direction guess the old pros were right all along.
So congrats on actually making changes butshame on ypu for ruining them a in the first place.
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