Today, people playing USF are using it intensively. Searching for solutions is allways better than whining.
Having to choose always unique commander to still have a chance to win as USF it's really an issue to whine.
Let's talk about the P-47 anti-tank Rocket Strike
20 Oct 2014, 15:00 PM
#21
Posts: 509 | Subs: 1
Having to choose always unique commander to still have a chance to win as USF it's really an issue to whine.
20 Oct 2014, 15:25 PM
#22
Posts: 431
Wins you the game? Get out. This is no close the pocket artillery.
Well, if you are fighting Ostheer it can win you the game. I had a nice game where I was just about to make a nice comeback with my Tiger (invested everything in it) when suddenly this plane came and did some good damage. The thing is that it even followed my full healt Tiger over the half of the map in my base until it was destroyed.
But before your blood starts boiling again: its still needed in the current state of USF.
20 Oct 2014, 15:35 PM
#23
Posts: 2070
im waiting for Romeo to post 
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
20 Oct 2014, 15:44 PM
#24
Posts: 1158
The air strike is op, but the seeking artillery with laser pinpoint accuracy that can destroy your entire army if you don't move out the way is not OP. This is how we got to this state of balance to begin with. Anytime there is something effective the allies have, people are complaining that it's effective. The p47 relies on several things during it's strike and OKW players shouldn't be crying at all here, since their stupid truck shoots down the planes. If you don't want to get hit by airstrikes get AA. When I get tired of strafes pinning my infantry, I get a quad or AAHT.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
20 Oct 2014, 15:44 PM
#25
15 Posts: 1970 | Subs: 5
It's fine.
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20 Oct 2014, 15:46 PM
#26
Posts: 135
Maybe it could be toned down, made cheaper, and then have it available non-doctrinally, perhaps by replacing major´s artillery strike. Single plane, single pass and reasonable damage against german heavies?
20 Oct 2014, 15:47 PM
#27
15 Posts: 1970 | Subs: 5
It's fiiinnnneeeee
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20 Oct 2014, 16:06 PM
#28
Posts: 578
Americans have so many garbage Units/Abilitis(and an idiotic faction design) at least the P-47 is good and effective.
20 Oct 2014, 16:35 PM
#29
Posts: 3552 | Subs: 2
Am I some sort of metagmae prodigy?
Because I am already thinking of how to Counter P-47 and it basically involves Ostwinds
It's not like you won't be facing hoards of infantry for them to eat too.
Instead it appears we are at:
WAH! OKW armour is too good
Nurf now please
Counter it with P47s
WAH! P47s are too good
Nurf it now please
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Americans have 3 good things in the late game:
P47 strikes
Priests
Jacksons
P47s can be counted with Ostwinds
Jacksons will be eaten by AT infantry
However Priests covered by Jacksons and combined arms is a whole different ball game and I have no idea how to counter that right now
Because I am already thinking of how to Counter P-47 and it basically involves Ostwinds
It's not like you won't be facing hoards of infantry for them to eat too.
Instead it appears we are at:
WAH! OKW armour is too good
Nurf now please
Counter it with P47s
WAH! P47s are too good
Nurf it now please
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Americans have 3 good things in the late game:
P47 strikes
Priests
Jacksons
P47s can be counted with Ostwinds
Jacksons will be eaten by AT infantry
However Priests covered by Jacksons and combined arms is a whole different ball game and I have no idea how to counter that right now
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20 Oct 2014, 16:37 PM
#30
Posts: 1617
^^ In 1v1s, USF cannot make such combined arms...
'Cuz the USF has other way of killing Tigers/KTs behind a wall of mg-42s and PAKs....P-47s are fine for 240 ammo as long as USF's ground forces suck big time
'Cuz the USF has other way of killing Tigers/KTs behind a wall of mg-42s and PAKs....P-47s are fine for 240 ammo as long as USF's ground forces suck big time
20 Oct 2014, 16:40 PM
#31
Posts: 2053
And how exactly does one doctrinal ability make up for the weakness of half the stock units?
20 Oct 2014, 16:43 PM
#32
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
P47 could be tone down A SMALL BIT when they tone up the faction.
Meanwhile, the AT strafe from OH should target a bit more precisely.
Meanwhile, the AT strafe from OH should target a bit more precisely.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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20 Oct 2014, 16:46 PM
#33
Posts: 655
Permanently BannedGive USF reasonable AT and then we can talk about toning down the P-47.
A Fallen Scrub
20 Oct 2014, 16:51 PM
#34
Posts: 1225
Its not fine. Of course its far from being the only thing that isnt, but still, abilities that are basically impossible to counter/evade (at least on smaller maps) are bad, mkay?
20 Oct 2014, 16:59 PM
#35
Posts: 1604 | Subs: 3
It's fine damage wise , I just have a problem that your tanks are even attacked in your base.
However because of the way this ability is implemented this cannot be changed.
Coh2 is a game where awareness and micro is awarded. Yet this ability negates this mechanic, as your tanks can even get destroyed if you retreat them at once out of the circle.
Your tanks can be also shot at if they are already out of the circle, but the P47 was taking aim while you were in the circle.
My suggestion is just to award the axis player more if awareness was shown. Just decrease the circle a bit and this ability will be in a good spot.
The ability still will be by far superior to the stuka strafe, IL strafe & bombing run which are laughable easy dodged
However because of the way this ability is implemented this cannot be changed.
Coh2 is a game where awareness and micro is awarded. Yet this ability negates this mechanic, as your tanks can even get destroyed if you retreat them at once out of the circle.
Your tanks can be also shot at if they are already out of the circle, but the P47 was taking aim while you were in the circle.
My suggestion is just to award the axis player more if awareness was shown. Just decrease the circle a bit and this ability will be in a good spot.
The ability still will be by far superior to the stuka strafe, IL strafe & bombing run which are laughable easy dodged
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20 Oct 2014, 17:50 PM
#36
Posts: 593
It is very overperforming, but very easy counterable.
But if you don't get the exactly single hard counter of P47, you are fucked.
One more retardness of Relic balance design.
u don't need to spend resources on a counter dude. the counter is move out the area and he waste munitions.... so hard for ppl to move a unit and they can clearly see a line showing u where to move out.
20 Oct 2014, 18:25 PM
#37
Posts: 157
I had a playthrough with P47 blowing up every building and cover in central of semoisky. Half of the shots miss the tiger ace with a damaged engine and it somehow manage to escape. Talking about collateral damage, those P47 cost more harm than both of us fighting in the central semoisky for last 20mins. The view is like 20+ katyusha rockets blasting blindly at the town.
Seriously those pilots need to L2aim or at least nerf the rockets vs buildings
Seriously those pilots need to L2aim or at least nerf the rockets vs buildings
20 Oct 2014, 18:58 PM
#38
Posts: 1605 | Subs: 1
Anti-tank? To me it is kinda anti-infantry...
20 Oct 2014, 19:02 PM
#39
Posts: 2070
Instead it appears we are at:
WAH! OKW armour is too good
Nurf now please
Counter it with P47s
WAH! P47s are too good
Nurf it now please
loooooool
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
20 Oct 2014, 20:10 PM
#40
Posts: 2280 | Subs: 2
Permanently Bannedhonestly. u CANT reverse out of area? Its sooo EZ to avoid
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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