High rear armor values

You know that is mathematically impossible, right?

Tiger even at 50 range got still more then 155 penetration.

The issue is more getting to that rear armor without hitting a mine, being buttoned, being focused by AT guns, antoher ISU, etc. Which is damn near impossible against a half decent player.

unfortunately because relic implemented rear and front armor in a bad way , aka half the tank has fron and the other half has rear vallue i think it is practically impossible to find the sweetspot we are looking for even approximately they would need to add side armor vallues for this to work

We have identified that mine bug already. The mines sometimes detonate early, causing little or no damage and no critical.

I dunno the maths data, but it happens to me.

Replay please.

OR it could had been on the back of the tank but the shot landed on the front.

OR it could had been on the back of the tank but the shot landed on the front.

Maybe it was that thing where two tanks that are practically on top of each other can miss the shot?

tbh, tanks had good rear armours, for example Tigers was 80 while front 102, same on others

KK. From my notepad doc I'm using to keep track of historic specs for my vCoH mod;

m10 gmc armor (front) = 66.275mm = 48.733mm ÷ cos(42.667)
m10 gmc armor (rear) = 23.573mm = 23mm ÷ cos(12.667) ---> 2.811
m10 gmc armor (front, hull down) = 80.893mm = 57.2mm ÷ cos(45) ---> received pen 0.819, received accuracy 0.333, received damage 0.9
m10 gmc armor type/modifiers = tp_armour_allies_m10_td

m10 gmc weight = tons
crew count =
generated HP =
HP generated by armor thickness (front) =
HP generated by armor thickness (rear) =
net HP =

m10 gmc top speed (road) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

m10 gmc top speed (cross-country) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

m10 gmc top speed (rough terrain) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

m10 gmc 360* minimum pivot time (chassis) = s
m10 gmc turret rotation rate = */s
m10 gmc gun settle time (moving to stopped) = s
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m4a3 armor (front) = 72.484mm = 64mm ÷ cos(28)
m4a3 armor (rear) = 44.937mm = 44.5mm ÷ cos(8) ---> 1.613
m4a3 armor (front, hull down) = 73.110mm = 72mm ÷ cos(10) ---> received pen 0.991, received accuracy 0.333, received damage 0.333
m4a3 armor type/modifiers = tp_armour_allies_sherman

weight =
crew count =
generated HP =
HP generated by armor thickness (front) =
HP generated by armor thickness (rear) =
net HP =

top speed (road) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

top speed (cross-country) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

top speed (rough terrain) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

minimum 360* pivot time (chassis) = N/A (non-pivoting; min. turn radius = 21.336m)
turret rotation rate = */s
gun settle time (moving to stopped) = s
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panther armor (front) = 191.779mm = 110mm ÷ cos(55)
panther armor (rear) = 47.913mm = 42.5mm ÷ cos(27.5) ---> 4.002
panther armor (front, hull down) = 111.696mm = 110mm ÷ cos(10) ---> received pen 1.716, received accuracy 0.333, received damage 0.333
panther armor type/modifiers =

weight =
crew count =
generated HP =
HP generated by armor thickness (front) =
HP generated by armor thickness (rear) =
net HP =

top speed (road) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

top speed (cross-country) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

top speed (rough terrain) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

minimum 360* pivot time (chassis) = s
turret rotation rate = */s
gun settle time (moving to stopped) = s
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panzer iv w. armor kit (front) = 81.787mm = 80mm ÷ cos(12)
panzer iv w. armor kit (rear) = 25.405mm = 25mm ÷ cos(10.25) ---> 3.219
panzer iv w. armor kit (front, hull down) = 51.763mm = 50mm ÷ cos(15)
panzer if armor type/modifiers =

weight =
crew count =
generated HP =
HP generated by armor thickness (front) =
HP generated by armor thickness (rear) =
net HP =

top speed (road) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

top speed (cross-country) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

top speed (rough terrain) = km/h
appropriate gear/total =
0 to speed time = s
deceleration time = s

minimum 360* pivot time (chassis) = s
turret rotation rate = */s
gun settle time (moving to stopped) = s
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jagdpanther armor (front) = 139.476mm = 80mm ÷ cos(55)
jagdpanther armor (rear) = 48.831mm = 40mm ÷ cos(35)
jagdpanther armor (front, hull down--N/A?) =
jagdpanther armor type/modifiers =

jagdpanther weight = 46 tons
crew count = 5
generated HP = 275
HP generated by armor thickness (front) =
HP generated by armor thickness (rear) =
net HP =

jagdpanther top speed (road) = 45.06 km/h
appropriate gear/total = 5/7 -> 7/7
0 to speed time = 23s
deceleration time = 7s

jagdpanther top speed (cross-country) = 28.97 km/h
appropriate gear/total = 5/7
0 to speed time = 8s
deceleration time = 4s

jagdpanther top speed (rough terrain) = 19.31 km/h
appropriate gear/total = 4/7
0 to speed time = 4s
deceleration time = 3s

jagdpanther minimum 360* pivot time (chassis) = 15s
jagdpanther turret rotation rate = 8*/s
jagdpanther gun settle time (moving to stopped) = 6s
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versus the penetration values of

1st value (millimeters of penetration at 100m) = (percentage of total penetrating power; example below)
2nd value (millimeters of penetration at 500m) = (percentage of total penetrating power; example below)
3rd value (millimeters of penetration at 1000m) = (percentage of total penetrating power; example below)
4th value (millimeters of penetration at 1500m) = (percentage of total penetrating power; example below)

P4 L43 75mm (example; outdated data)
(PzGr 39 (APCBC)
99 = 1 (99mm is the maximum rated penetrating power, so: 99 ÷ 99 = 1 (100% of total penetrating power)
91 = 0.919 (99mm is the maximum rated penetrating power, so: 91 ÷ 99 = 0.919 (91.9% of total penetrating power)
82 = 0.828 (99mm is the maximum rated penetrating power, so: 82 ÷ 99 = 0.828 (82.8% of total penetrating power)
71 = 0.717 (99mm is the maximum rated penetrating power, so: 71 ÷ 99 = 0.717 (71.7% of total penetrating power)

75 mm M3, L/40
Elevation (Max/Min): 25* to -12*
Elevation (Rate of Movement): 12*/s
Rate of Fire (Maximum): 12 RPM (for one minute)
Rate of Fire (Sustained): 6 RPM (indefinate)
Range (Minimum): m
Range (Maximum): m
Range (Max Effective): ~800m
Traverse (Range Limiters): N/A (360* slew)
Traverse (Rate of Movement): 24*/s

(APC M61 Shot (APC-T)
617 m/s velocity
6.79 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
80 = 1
68 = 0.85
64 = 0.8
52 = 0.65

(APCBC M61A1 Shot (APCBC-T)
618 m/s velocity
7.8 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
89 = 1
85 = 0.955
70 = 0.714
61 = 0.622

(AP M72 Shot (AP-T); vs. rolled homogeneous armor)
619 m/s velocity
6.32 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
102 = 1
82 = 0.804
65 = 0.637
52 = 0.51

(AP M72 Shot (AP-T); vs. face-hardened armor)
619 m/s velocity
6.32 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
82 = 1
66 = 0.805
52 = 0.634
42 = 0.512
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76.2mm F-34 L/41.5
(BR-350A (APHE) <- technically APHEBC-T
665 m/s velocity
6.3 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
83 = 1
74 = 0.892
67 = 0.807
57 = 0.687

(BR-350SP (APBC) <- technically APBC-T)
665 m/s velocity
6.8 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
88 = 1
77 = 0.892
73 = 0.807
64 = 0.687

(OF-350M (HE)
680 m/s velocity
6.2 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
35 = 1
35 = 1
35 = 1
35 = 1
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76.2mm ZiS-3 L/
(BR-350A (APHE) <- technically APHEBC-T
665 m/s velocity
6.3 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
83 = 1
74 = 0.892
67 = 0.807
57 = 0.687

(BR-350SP (APBC) <- technically APBC-T
665 m/s velocity
6.8 kg mass (
Fuse delay: 0s (solid slug)
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
88 = 1
77 = 0.892
73 = 0.807
64 = 0.687

(BR-350P (APCR) <- technically APCR-T
950 m/s velocity
3.0 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
2 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
113 = 1
102 = 0.892
92 = 0.807
78 = 0.687

(BP-350A (HEAT) <- techncially HEAT-T)
355 m/s velocity
5.3 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
80 = 1
80 = 1
80 = 1
80 = 1

(OF-350M (HE)
680 m/s velocity
6.2 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
35 = 1
35 = 1
35 = 1
35 = 1

(Sh-354T (Shrapnel)
680 m/s velocity
6.2 kg mass (
Fuse delay: s
1 EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
32 = 1
28 = 1
25 = 1
20 = 1
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7.5 cm KwK 40 L/43
(PzGr 39 (APCBC)
740 m/s velocity
Fuse delay: s
EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
110 = 1
98 = 0.891
82 = 0.745
60 = 0.545
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7.5 cm PaK 40 L/46
(PzGr 39 (APCBC)
790 m/s velocity
Fuse delay: s
EFC (Equivalent Full Charge) of Wear (per shot)
105 = 1
100 = 0.952
98 = 0.933
74 = 0.705
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tl;dr version: rear armor was not stronk. Rear armor should be much easier to penetrate in CoH2; the 'waw its historical' argument is null and void.