why no sniper in us army ?
30 Sep 2014, 17:36 PM
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why no sniper in us army ?
'' terror belli , decus pacis ''
30 Sep 2014, 17:51 PM
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Pathfinders are sort of snipers
30 Sep 2014, 17:56 PM
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To not ctrl+c ctrl+v factions.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Sep 2014, 17:58 PM
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Permanently BannedTo not ctrl+c ctrl+v factions.
that, and to make factions that don't just ctrl+a to victory.
A Fallen Scrub
30 Sep 2014, 18:01 PM
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Pathfinders are sort of snipers
no , they are not , http://blogs.companyofheroes.com/2014/07/31/coh2-the-western-front-armies-unit-profile-pathfinders/ , if u r talking about accuracy and lethality veterancy , then what u said apllies to maybe every unit in the game .
'' terror belli , decus pacis ''
30 Sep 2014, 18:13 PM
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pathfinders have a chance to "crit" weakened models and insta-kill them... like a sniper.
30 Sep 2014, 18:13 PM
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he's referring to their crit chance
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30 Sep 2014, 18:31 PM
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hmmm i see , but its still costs something to get an instant kill , not the same . I think that the fact that us army having no sniper along with soviets and OKW not having somekind of default unit that is capable of building bunker \ trench defense ( at least without some unique commander ) is not good also .
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30 Sep 2014, 18:41 PM
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What would be the advantage of US sniper? 2 man squad or rate of fire?
If you choose 2 man squad, it would cause so many complains just like soviet sniper do, it would be cheeSsSsY, but if you choose rate of fire, that would cause problems due to 4man squads in Axis armies. I dont think it would be a good idea.
If you choose 2 man squad, it would cause so many complains just like soviet sniper do, it would be cheeSsSsY, but if you choose rate of fire, that would cause problems due to 4man squads in Axis armies. I dont think it would be a good idea.
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30 Sep 2014, 18:41 PM
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Can we just allow mirror matches already?
30 Sep 2014, 18:48 PM
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Can we just allow mirror matches already?
There actually is a thread on official forums about it since some axis players decided its boring to sit 20 mins waiting for que.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Sep 2014, 18:49 PM
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I think giving the US a sniper would make the Ostheer/USF matchup completely absurd. Snipers are already effective against the Ost 4-man squads, the balancing factor with Soviets is that Conscripts aren't that good and by going T1 you sacrifice MGs. This means Soviet Sniper teams can still be threatened by Ostheer infantry pushes. Basically, Snipers come at the expense of the 'meat' of your army.
In the case of USF because of how capable Riflemen are, Ostheer would have pretty much no ability to counter a well-microed Sniper other than just rushing a 222 and hoping for the best. If not for the OPWagen, OKW would suffer similarly apart from Panzerfusiliers.
Also, as others have said just because 1 faction has access to a unit, doesn't mean the others have some sort of 'right' to it. You have to show some sort of balance need, otherwise you are just arbitrarily reducing faction diversity.
In the case of USF because of how capable Riflemen are, Ostheer would have pretty much no ability to counter a well-microed Sniper other than just rushing a 222 and hoping for the best. If not for the OPWagen, OKW would suffer similarly apart from Panzerfusiliers.
Also, as others have said just because 1 faction has access to a unit, doesn't mean the others have some sort of 'right' to it. You have to show some sort of balance need, otherwise you are just arbitrarily reducing faction diversity.
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30 Sep 2014, 19:02 PM
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I think giving the US a sniper would make the Ostheer/USF matchup completely absurd. Snipers are already effective against the Ost 4-man squads, the balancing factor with Soviets is that Conscripts aren't that good and by going T1 you sacrifice MGs. This means Soviet Sniper teams can still be threatened by Ostheer infantry pushes. Basically, Snipers come at the expense of the 'meat' of your army.
In the case of USF because of how capable Riflemen are, Ostheer would have pretty much no ability to counter a well-microed Sniper other than just rushing a 222 and hoping for the best. If not for the OPWagen, OKW would suffer similarly apart from Panzerfusiliers.
Also, as others have said just because 1 faction has access to a unit, doesn't mean the others have some sort of 'right' to it. You have to show some sort of balance need, otherwise you are just arbitrarily reducing faction diversity.
I think if it came from captain tier it would be pretty fair. Plus there are endless ways to diversify a unit through abilities, vet bonuses, etc. Maybe USF sniper can plant demo charges or heal himself.
I don't really think it's that great of an idea, and I know that it will never be in the game so it's pointless to even argue but I think your arguments are a little flawed.
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30 Sep 2014, 20:00 PM
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Because they were all vet 3 in Normandy, the camo is too good that Ardennes commanders cannot locate them. 
30 Sep 2014, 20:07 PM
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What would be the advantage of US sniper? 2 man squad or rate of fire?
Actually US Snipers were trained only in accurate long-range shooting, no stealth or camouflage tactics unlike British, German, and Soviet Snipers. They were more similar to the modern Designated Marksman role, and operated among Riflemen squads. The main difference between a Rifleman and a Sniper was that they were the most precise shooter in the squad and had a scoped bolt-action rifle.
In-game I'd imagine they'd be an upgrade to a Riflesquad that would give one squad-member a rifle like the JLI or Pathfinders and the "Snipe Model" ability of British Recon Squads.
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30 Sep 2014, 20:10 PM
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US never made snipers in the war, otherwise they would be in the game.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
30 Sep 2014, 22:51 PM
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US never made snipers in the war, otherwise they would be in the game.
*cough* CoH 1 *cough*
30 Sep 2014, 22:56 PM
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*cough* CoH 1 *cough*
CoH1 flat out made shit up though, CoH2 not so much.
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1 Oct 2014, 06:42 AM
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..... Why OKW doesn't have a sniper? ....
See?
Though, maybe it would be a good idea instead of kubel wich is hated to the bone.
See?
Though, maybe it would be a good idea instead of kubel wich is hated to the bone.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
1 Oct 2014, 11:13 AM
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OKW has snipers, best kind too. Obersoldaten, they have automatic sniper rifles too, quite amazing.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
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