Addition of T34 to the Soviet HQ to resolve tech problems

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 13:50 PMAerohank

Ostheer would have no problems with T34/85s in soviet T3. It's like saying that Soviet T3 can't handle Ostheer T3 in any way. It's bullshit. Get a PAK40 or a panzerschrek squad, plant some mines.

The only problem Ostheer has against T34/85s is that they outnumber P4s because they are call-in tanks and thus require no tech investment to call-in. Having a 120 fuel unlock barrier will fix this.

As for OKW, they have no right to complain. T34/76s are a joke against OKW because all they need to counter it are volksgrenadiers with panzerschreks. T34/85s are the only soviet medium tanks that actually force the OKW to get some armor.

It's very silly that soviets are stuck using early-war units while the multiplayer is set in the later stages of the war. Having T34/76s as stock units would be fine if axis had P3 and STUGIIIs as their best stock tanks, but they can field panthers and even bloody Tiger IIs. If we want the stupid call-in meta to change, the soviet stock army needs to be of the same caliber as the axis stock army. And that means an actual late-war medium tank.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 13:29 PMElSlayer

I think you won't see T4 anymore. EVER. Because early T-34/76 + late SU-85 just don't cut it.
Also most players will just ignore T-34/76 option and go straight to T3 and T-34-85 spam ALWAYS.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 15:05 PMdaspoulos

So you think relic should rip all the t34/85s out of their respective commanders and replace them with what exactly?

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 16:58 PMLokust22

So when I was suggesting this to the people I play with, their worry was that no one would go T3. They thought that the superior AT ability of the SU85, combined with the T34/76 for AI and the Katyusha for arty would just be too tempting to ignore. I personally think that both T3 and T4 will be viable as a stand alone, self sufficient option. Even if one is slightly better than the other, the important thing is it will be possible to go the other one, and when that situation arises where you think you will need a katyusha (or whichever), you won't be hamstringing yourself in the process.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 13:50 PMAerohank

Ostheer would have no problems with T34/85s in soviet T3. It's like saying that Soviet T3 can't handle Ostheer T3 in any way. It's bullshit. Get a PAK40 or a panzerschrek squad, plant some mines.

The only problem Ostheer has against T34/85s is that they outnumber P4s because they are call-in tanks and thus require no tech investment to call-in. Having a 120 fuel unlock barrier will fix this.

As for OKW, they have no right to complain. T34/76s are a joke against OKW because all they need to counter it are volksgrenadiers with panzerschreks. T34/85s are the only soviet medium tanks that actually force the OKW to get some armor.

It's very silly that soviets are stuck using early-war units while the multiplayer is set in the later stages of the war. Having T34/76s as stock units would be fine if axis had P3 and STUGIIIs as their best stock tanks, but they can field panthers and even bloody Tiger IIs. If we want the stupid call-in meta to change, the soviet stock army needs to be of the same caliber as the axis stock army. And that means an actual late-war medium tank.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 18:30 PMsoylientgreen

Why not instead making it an upgrade? keep the T34-76 in the T3 building, to gain access to the T34-85 you have to "research" it for like 100-150 fuel. Once research you can then choose to build T34-85s from the T3 building or the T34.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 18:43 PMIamLegion

The point is not to add a T34/85 to T3 as it is to add a T34/76 to the HQ to provide more variety and adaptability to the Soviet meta.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 18:47 PMsoylientgreen

Making the T34-85 a T3 immediately would basically rule the T34-76 at HQ useless, it would turn into another t70. There has to be some sort of fuel cost to gain access to the 85.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 18:26 PMElSlayer

Better add KV-85 to tier 3 or 4. It is EXACTLY the kind of non-doctrinal unit needed for soviet late game - mediocre DPS, high survivability, adequate penetration. They were built on base of KV-1S, which was faster than KV-1 and had better mobility on weak grounds because of wider tracks and lesser weight.

Tier may be reworked like:
T3 - M5, T-34, SU-85, Katyusha
T4 - T-70, SU-76, KV-85

Also you won't have to change any existing commanders.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 18:47 PMsoylientgreen

Making the T34-85 a T3 immediately would basically rule the T34-76 at HQ useless, it would turn into another t70. There has to be some sort of fuel cost to gain access to the 85.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 15:05 PMdaspoulos

So you think relic should rip all the t34/85s out of their respective commanders and replace them with what exactly?

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2014, 19:00 PMNinjaWJ

And yet KT and Panthers are.....hahahha