Let's talk Soviet faction.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 09:27 AMdasheepeh

this

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 09:01 AMKatitof

But then they get vet1 and onwards are better. I'd rather have less flexible squad that actually can do something then 'flexible' merge/cap bot.

Jump back to quoted post20 Sep 2014, 06:57 AMMarcoRossolini

To my mind, the Soviets need a complete faction redesign.

Relic needs to throw out everything and start again.

The units it has are fine, but the way they are balanced and tiered and called in are just plain stupid.

Relic has the tools, but does it have the backbone?

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 11:26 AMPorygon

Gren without upgrade, ARE WORSE THAN VOLKS, in both DPS and durability.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 11:46 AMAirborne

acording to coh2-stats compare tool grens have more DPS.
http://www.coh2-stats.com/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&squad1=volksgrenadier_squad_mp&squad2=grenadier_squad_mp&commit=Compare

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 11:53 AMPorygon

Grens DPS drop 25% when one model died, you can't just compare with these meaningless number comparison.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 11:53 AMPorygon

Grens DPS drop 25% when one model died, you can't just compare with these meaningless number comparison.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 11:26 AMPorygon

They lost to Rifles/Penals completely without LMG, on par with Cons, can't even fend away CE, can only bully useless RE who dunno how to volleyfire.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2014, 12:06 PMbutterfingers158

So when you're proven wrong you just move the goalpost?

Grens do about 1.2x the DPS of the Volks. Each Gren model has ~9% received accuracy bonus versus no bonus for Volks. So a Gren squad has the survivability of a 4.36 man squad (approx)versus the 5 man Volks. 5/4.36= 1.15 So Volks are 15% more survivable but Grens do 20% more damage.

Let's not forget that Grens get an LMG upgrade, which makes them the best basic infantry later in the game unless a USF player goes Infantry Company (which is pretty useless in 1v1 except for the LMG) for LMG riflemen.