Better OKW than Ostheer Panther a myth?

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 09:48 AMgokkel

But is it really? If we take into consideration the fuel penalty for OKW (trading munition for fuel doesn't equalize this gap completely and you also lose half your munition, so you pay heavily), it would seem questionable enough to me already to have to pay the same price for a (already before underwhelming) Panther that has only slightly better accuracy (and better accuracy means here to be on par with the least accurate allied tanks). But apparently for some players this was already justification enough to claim it is "fine".

While the average of the actual reload speed stat is the same, there seems to be also an additional "wind down" time involved, that according to this spreadsheet (see AC/AD column) is effectively increasing the reload time by another second every shot. This means that it has even lower DPS than the already rather low on DPS Ostheer Panther and has the lowest firing rate of any tank apart from the Elefant, Jagdtiger, KV-2 and ISU-152 (who all have higher weapon damage in return). Even tanks like the Bulldozer Sherman shoot faster!

If you ask me, that makes the OKW Panther actually even worse than the Ostheer Panther besides the fuel Penalty for OKW. The only significant redeeming factor that remains for me are the veterancy 4+5 levels, but that is not enough justification for me for this performance, as this is really not something you can count on achieving in a game against equally skilled players.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 10:22 AMgokkel

Can you tell me if the stats on the coh2-stats.com site are correct? I would like to look at the actual differences between the tanks then.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 11:41 AMPorygon

This pride of the Vaterland just sucks.

Expensive overpriced, get penatrated by almost anything bigger than 45mm baby ATG, extreme suck DPS.
There is no reason why not to get Puma/JPIV with rakenten or StuG III with Pak instead of this overnerfed panzer.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 11:41 AMPorygon

And it was the best medium tank in the world, they said.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 11:56 AMAlpharius

I am not sure who told this, since it's very far from truth.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 13:07 PMgroconrs

no AI? coaxial ,hul and mouted mg are good against infentri

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 13:13 PMFrikadelleXXL

No it actually isn't. It's nothing compared to T 34 AI capability.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 13:13 PMFrikadelleXXL

No it actually isn't. It's nothing compared to T 34 AI capability.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 10:13 AMCruzz

Spreadsheet is wrong, ostheer panther gun has the same 1 second wind down as the OKW one.

| | reload: {
| | | duration: {
| | | | max: 6.4f;
| | | | min: 6.1f;
| | | };

| | reload: {
| | | duration: {
| | | | max: 6.7f;
| | | | min: 5.8f;
| | | };

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2014, 15:17 PMJinseual

I don't see any difference between the OKW Panther and the Ostheer Panther, except that the OKW Panther cost more on fuel because of the low fuel income OKW has and it can get to vet 5 which is probably a reasonable price compared to the Ostheer Panther.

| | accuracy: {
| | | far: 0.025f;
| | | mid: 0.0375f;
| | | near: 0.05f;

| | accuracy: {
| | | far: 0.035f;
| | | mid: 0.045f;
| | | near: 0.055f;