Okw Balance

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2014, 15:08 PMMadeMan

I keep hearing about 4v4 games and how they devolve into Wunderwaffen out the arse every game.

I only play 1v1, so can someone enlighten me, do resources work differently in 4v4 or is it just a case of the games going for hours and fuel floating a lot more?

Maybe there needs to be some kind of massive throttle to the resource income for 4v4 matches? Because 1v1 seems much less ridiculous most of the time.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2014, 15:13 PMQueenRatchet123

Tanks come fast at like 12min. Every one builds fuel/munition caches on every point. This makeds income very high.

The main problem with axis is that, An OKW/WER team will get insane income. so the will be multiple heavies and super heavies in the game.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2014, 15:22 PMMadeMan

Caches on every point? Holy shit. It sounds to me more like Relic needs to look at big team modes themselves more than balance for the units/teams. It just sounds like it's breaking the game, or like a different game mode entirely. Almost like playing 'Deathmatch' in the old Age of Empires games.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2014, 16:55 PMludd3emm

OKW-only suffers a lot to artillery. Mixed axis with one Ostheer to support and do the dirty, unrewarding work (build caches, reinforcement bunkers/halftrack, Stuka Bombing Run on stationary artillery etc.) makes it really difficult for any set-up of Allies to deal with late game elite infantry and super heavy tanks from OKW.

One Ostheer player in the mix that knows what he is doing will deny the very important stationary artillery that the allies have and at the same time he will massively decrease the fuel penalty to his OKW team mates. Coordinated SU/USA teams do have ways to deal with it or at least find other options on how to counter what's on the field but at the same time I understand why it must be really difficult for the Allies if two random teams are paired up in automatch.

It's not helping either that a lot of the team maps are rewarding camping which benefits the Axis team the most.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2014, 01:34 AMWarthrone

Worst nation 1v1 by far

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2014, 05:39 AMheals93

OP is on the money I have really noticed this. It's a lot easier to win as Allies in team games than it is as Axis.

Axis is really punishing for mistakes especially OKW. If you don't do well with micro especially vs MG spam you're done. If you don't have map control especially fuel and a strong build order without loses to ruin it you can find your fighting a losing battle and just wasting your time.

Doing random team games ranging from 2's, 3's and 4's as OKW, a noob on the team is a loss. It's a faction that wasn't designed for new players or those that struggle to play aggressively or with a strong micro.

I takes breaks from this game for days because I am so infuriated from a loss. I even find myself wasting time on twitch and the websites, cause until a balance patch comes or new commanders to alter the meta of this game, there's just no strong desire or pull to play it.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2014, 09:59 AMJaigen

Their are 3 minor issues that need to be resolved before the okw becomes viable in 1vs1.

the first and foremost issue is the panther. its supposed to be the main AT heavy tank but its very under powered for what it is doing. its very difficult to hold back soviet or American medium armor spam in 1vs1

2. call ins need to be tied to tiers. okw doesnt have any good call ins that allows it hoard massive amount of fuels and then deploy 4 85's or e8's it needs to tech and use fuel and mp giving the allies an advantage.

3. and the a minor issue but still important is that volks are currently the worst starting infantry in the game. having non of the abilities of the scripts or the raw dps of the grens volks simply do not scale well unless you reach vet 4 or 5 where they finally become viable. but units should be viable from the start and not wiat until vet.