Minor german issues.

Jump back to quoted post28 May 2014, 08:05 AMwongtp

killed in matter of seconds from what? AT guns? t34s? it only happens if you run into soviet lines head first without weakening their lines 1st or hitting a mine or 2 and losing ur engine. cant blame anyone for that when a swarm of t34s comes and hunt ur weakened panthers down.

stop initiating fights with panthers. its no longer the tank it used to be when they could mess up soviet lines just by charging in. if you rush panthers into the straight into enemy lines, expect them to be taken out. instead chip away at their defenses with indirect fire and gain advantage in map control with ur superior mobility. t34s have no chance against panthers, so expect AT guns and bring along infantry to deal with them. then settle ur paks elsewhere to guard against smart players who relocate their t34s to another side of the map away from ur panthers.

there's a problem with teching cost and CP gain, no doubt about that. but there's none with the unit itself. cost does not justify a unit being OP. look at what the old tiger ace was, stupidly tanky with 2000hp, 320dmg and with a whole bunch of abilities. expensive? yes. balanced? not in any sense of the word.

i didnt mention isu152 beating it because its clearly an OP unit, needs to go out of the game together with the elefant.

Jump back to quoted post28 May 2014, 12:54 PM__deleted__

Man, you don't understand. Panther is to expensive to be used in the manner you say it should be used. Understand? You want Panther to be used like a soviet tank while it's way more expensive. I can't spend that amount of resources on a tank that after every shot must run and hide because that means I wasted my investment. I said it allready: keep the Panther as it is, but seriously decrease its cost, otherwise it's simply not worth it. Decreasing Panther cost and making Pzwerfer to actually kill something from time to time, will bring back german T4 in the game and german players will have a choice, to go T3 or T4. Currently there is only one resonable and cost effective choice: T3 + Call in.

Jump back to quoted post28 May 2014, 17:46 PMDarthBong420

+1 and the same builds, gren gren gren mg gren gren stug stug stug maybe an ostwind, tiger tiger
or
gren gren mg sc pak ht gren stug stug stug tiger tiger
or
gren gren mg gren gren stug stug stug stug stug elephant

or
gren gren mg sc pak ht gren stug stug stug elephant

if you go mech assault there will be 2 or 3 ass grens at first and a short barrel stug. also if you go spearhead there will be a mht in ther as well. THIS IS IT. These are the only units the ost have that are actually worth the resources to build atm. its getting super boring.

meanwhile soviets entire army is useful minus katushka, mortar is pretty crap, and combat engees(but they have super mines so there are technically very usefull.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2014, 14:33 PMJHeartless

We also seen to forget the Panther out ranges the IS2. I beat an IS2 with a Panther and a Pio squad and a Gren Squad.....

Panthers performance is fine. Its cost is not fine. As was stated in the thread over and over again.

Learn to use all its advantages not its Need for Speed and Adamantium Armor of yesteryear.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2014, 20:09 PMthestrongone

MIMIMIMI in other words "I am soviet fanboy, panther is too powerful pls increase cost to 400 fueanaagshdfkajgshcuchdnehuaiadhdhsududhqgusxihahsydicjwvehsuchdhajderpdhagiejfgwwgdihdbsbsbshs

Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2014, 20:09 PMthestrongone

MIMIMIMI in other words "I am soviet fanboy, panther is too powerful pls increase cost to 400 fuel and make range 20 and pls make isu kill everything on battlefield with no skill since im soviet only player (oh wait)"

Jump back to quoted post28 May 2014, 12:54 PM__deleted__

Man, you don't understand. Panther is to expensive to be used in the manner you say it should be used. Understand? You want Panther to be used like a soviet tank while it's way more expensive. I can't spend that amount of resources on a tank that after every shot must run and hide because that means I wasted my investment. I said it allready: keep the Panther as it is, but seriously decrease its cost, otherwise it's simply not worth it. Decreasing Panther cost and making Pzwerfer to actually kill something from time to time, will bring back german T4 in the game and german players will have a choice, to go T3 or T4. Currently there is only one resonable and cost effective choice: T3 + Call in.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jun 2014, 18:46 PMpigsoup

t4 before the april patch was 'get to t4 and win' button in 2v2+
t4 after the patch is 'get to t4 and you'll get a nice diversity but that's about it'

Jump back to quoted post9 Jun 2014, 21:52 PMBravus

Call in beat t4. Go t4 is a waste of resources 90% of the time..

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2014, 02:23 AMwehrwolfzug

Soviets feel your pain as well. Their t4 is pretty useless too. Of course relic could not sell as many commanders with uber call in tanks if the core tier 4 tanks are balanced against them. This may be a struggle between marketing and game balance. Who knows.....

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2014, 02:39 AMausterlitz

Su -85 is hardly useless,but yeah soviets in general are more dependant on call ins to deal with lategame german armour.