Making Soviets more Soviety

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 11:52 AMAurgelwulf

Cons don't need to be even with grens. Squad wipes for grens have only gotten worse since the patch, a problem soviet players don't have to deal with on nearly the same level. Cons vs Grens is balanced.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 13:48 PMPuppetmaster

Because squad wipes happen 24/7...... Russians do have squad wipe problems (mainly from mortars and brumbars) but that is beside the point.

Many people including from Relic have said you need 2 conscripts for every one gren. That in it self is fine, but then why do 2 conscripts cost 480mp vs the 240 for the grens. I (and I guess many others) are fine with conscripts being inferior to Grens but the price needs to reflect that.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 13:20 PMdasheepeh

Balanced? I had 3 Cons vs 3 Grens in the mid of Semois today. All within green cover. Grens didnt lose a single model.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 14:31 PMAurgelwulf

No, it's not beside the point. The grens have four man squads, they get wiped significantly more than their Russian counterparts and if Peter wants to run that statement by his data analysts he'd see it was right. The manpower hit from losing a gren squad can swing games into the soviet players favour so it's perfectly right that the squad has something extra to make up for that.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 14:56 PMPuppetmaster

What do you mean something extra? They already have something extra. They have much better dps, their AT nade is so much more useful than molotov (and you don't need to specifically research it). Panzerfaust also is the same, you don't need to specifically research it. It's vet 1 ability is also more useful than the conscripts. Then they also get an LMG42 upgrade that increases their dps a fair amount, especially at range. Conscripts can get PPSH via a doctrine (yours is free, built into the core game) but it ruins their dps at anything other than close range..What more do you want? The nature of conscripts and many soviet troops is that you need to be in close to have any dps advantage but you are now punished by doing that because of the patch.

Maybe if you played soviets even once instead of whoring over Germany, you might actually understand.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 15:23 PMenjoycheapbeer

It's not ok that 240 mp 60 muni squad counters every soviet infantry unit in game.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 04:14 AMVonIvan

You bet!


But anyway back to the more important issues at hand:
1. Cons Need to be even with Grens
2. CEs Need to be as effective as Pios
3. M3s should have a slight armor increase for their cost
4. LMGs and G43s Need to be nerfed, while SVT's(far range), PPsHs(mid range), and regular rifles(close/somewhat mid range) need a slight DPS buff to even out the playing field at the very least so they're as effective as what I put in the () part!
5. The more evening out of the factions, the better. All I care about is balance, and if you're playing Soviets in 2v2 or up, you've already put a nail in the coffin!

On a side note:
-FFS give Penals some sort of AT weapon so they're at least usable.
And for anyone who says I'm a Sovjet fanboi go play a 2v2 as the Soviets against someone who has a similar skill level to your team, and then come back and re-read this post.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 13:48 PMPuppetmaster

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Many people including from Relic have said you need 2 conscripts for every one gren. That in it self is fine, but then why do 2 conscripts cost 480mp vs the 240 for the grens. I (and I guess many others) are fine with conscripts being inferior to Grens but the price needs to reflect that.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 16:41 PMPuppetmaster

So because some people can beat greens it means they are balanced? Using squad wipe is not a good enough reason because soviets have the same problem and greens don't get squad wiped constantly. You don't play soviets so really cannot comment because you have no idea idea what its like playing vs Germany. Go and play a load of games as Soviet and see if you still believe that 480mp vs 240mp is balanced.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 16:45 PMAurgelwulf

It ABSOLUTELY is a good enough reason and nobody can seriously believe that soviet squads are at an equal risk of squad wipe.

You don't need two conscript squads to fight one grenadier squad, just hyperbolic nonsense.

I can speak to what works and doesn't work against soviets because I've lost a lot of games against them, this patch included.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 17:35 PMdasheepeh

I think you need to actually play Soviets for once to participate in these balance discussions.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 16:45 PMAurgelwulf

It ABSOLUTELY is a good enough reason and nobody can seriously believe that soviet squads are at an equal risk of squad wipe.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 16:45 PMAurgelwulf

I can speak to what works and doesn't work against soviets because I've lost a lot of games against them, this patch included.

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2014, 19:49 PMMoerserKarL

Making Soviets more Soviety: Take a look (sry for offtopic^^)