Is the STUG truly useless??

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20 Jan 2014, 16:03 PMRazh

Stug G != Stug E

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrrrPr20ncdGF4VURuYjVGZXlIN3ptbV8tbzRzN0E&usp=drive_web#gid=16

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As noted earlier, Stugs are the only way the Germans can fight the IS-2 while they're still in T3. It is also better than the P4 against KV-1s. Pak guns are 2 shotted by the IS-2 and usually don't pen the frontal. The long range (50) of the stug helps as does the stun. But it requires very careful micro and use with supporting units, as the IS-2 can 3 shot the stugs.

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Pak40s have 60 range and 170 penetration

Stugs have 50 range and 140 penetration

They both have the Stun ability.

Usually, I'd prefer to make a few Paks instead.

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IME stug is a situational weapon of course, but it is protected against mortars, incendiary call-ins, artillery strikes and rockets if one wants to hold a contested center.

Infantry and Paks get torn up by these weapons.

Whenever I see a pak or troop concentration as a Soviet player, I buy a munitions firebomb on top of it or fire a rocket barrage.

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20 Jan 2014, 18:59 PMlink0

Pak40s have 60 range and 170 penetration

Stugs have 50 range and 140 penetration

They both have the Stun ability.

Usually, I'd prefer to make a few Paks instead.

PaKs are also more vulnerable to snipers/mortars (especially vet 1) have significantly lower mobility and are essentially useless against infantry. Sure Stugs aren't great against infantry, but they're still okay.

I've always found Stugs to be a great choice against Soviet T3. They kill tanks way better than P4s do, which is fine, because that's what they're supposed to do. Sure you can't get them every game, and you probably shouldn't get one until you've seen a T70/T34. Perhaps they could use some minor buffs (although I think they're fine where they are) but calling them terrible I think is a bit of a stretch

Also PaKs require going tier 2, something I've been skipping more often these days with the popularity of Shocks and Guard/Snipers.

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19 Jan 2014, 22:05 PMCieZ

From personal experience and from unit stats. As I said before the stug is better AT than a p4 in every regard, and it out ranges t34s, if your stugs aren't beating t34s, you're doing it wrong. :/

No the soviet player is doing it wrong. that the stug is a better AT unit is without question but you using the stug against an unit that is very capable of flanking and killing a stug.

with respect considering the mobility of the p4 i consider the p4 a far better AT tank when dealing with the t-34's