Germans are bad

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2013, 09:35 AMParanoia

Panther - best tank in the game
pz4 - best multi-purpose tank in the game
Elefant - OP like hell
Tiger ACE - LMFAO a joke how OP it is

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 02:51 AMardenx

Now if you'll excuse me, I won't be able to take any more "Germans are OP" posts seriously until I at least stop seeing all the biggest killstreaks on the ladders being Soviets instead of Germans.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 10:05 AMVonMecha

Not sure why people immediately equate people wanting to play Germans to them being easy. Women who wear fancy high shoes don't wear them cause they are the easiest shoe to wear. Wearing robes is much easier than wearing a suit and tie. If it was true Germans were the easy faction, then this would mean Soviet wins would be rare, especially in tournaments, in which Soviets have clearly dominated...all of them.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 13:08 PMBeltFedWombat

I'm sort of torn. My problem is that, unlike VCoH, CoH2 doesn't reflect the *vibe* or *feel* of the armies.

Why is it that the most Soviet-feeling spammable infantry belong to a German Commander (Ostruppen) ? Why is it that the German armour and infantry doesn't have the sort of utility you might expect in the mid-game?

Why does the Soviet Tier One suck so badly, I never see penal troops?

Why is SNF dominated by this dull call-in meta (and why are you 'pros' addicted to the same three maps, it's like freaking Groundhog Day at the moment)?

I play and like both factions, but agree that the more players you have the more OP the Russians can be if abused 'properly.'

TLR, stuff is busted but it's busted pretty equally. I don't expect hyper-realism, or even realism but I expect verisimilitude of sorts.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 02:59 AMsir muffin

herrtin is becoming the next nullist
MVGame

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 01:18 AMVonMecha

But the quality and effectiveness of german units were much higher. In this game most of the German units can't even compete one on one. Plus the fact they are outnumbered and grossly under supplied(muntions).

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 13:55 PMAerohank

What game are you playing?

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2013, 23:45 PMAerohank

The germans are not bad. People just need to realize one thing: The soviets won the war through massively outnumbering the germans.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 16:55 PMvan Voort

No, the Soviets won by being better

Numbers did not after all avail them anything in 1941.


This idea was understandable when the major source on the War in the East was the self-serving memoirs of German Generals, but we have had access to more balanced sources since then.

We are not required to believe the traditional narrative that:

"We were vastly outnumbered but nevertheless the German Army won a string of victories from Moscow all the way to Berlin because we are so awesome, and we would still have won had it not been for that meddling Hitler"

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 17:00 PMImagelessbean

The traditional narrative you describe is there for a reason. Even late in 1945 the Germans were organizing effective counter attacks that the Soviet army was struggling to defeat. The German army was a better unit, and would have won the war for Germany had Hitler not intervened multiple times at critical moments. In addition, the Soviet army did win by brute strength, tactics were difficult to teach to mostly illiterate peasants.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 17:00 PMImagelessbean

The traditional narrative you describe is there for a reason. Even late in 1945 the Germans were organizing effective counter attacks that the Soviet army was struggling to defeat. The German army was a better unit, and would have won the war for Germany had Hitler not intervened multiple times at critical moments. In addition, the Soviet army did win by brute strength, tactics were difficult to teach to mostly illiterate peasants.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 17:44 PMBasilone

The Americans with the Brits would have been capable of beating the Germans without the Soviets if they also weren't fighting on another front (Japan). Just because the Americans didn't mobilize as many troops as Germany doesn't mean they weren't available if needed. The Soviets made such a huge impact because they were only fighting one front and practically committed its entire male population to the war effort, many other countries could have done the same thing (probably better) under similar circumstances.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2013, 18:13 PMPaRaNo1a

Let`s say the truth Basi, the Americans didn`t want to join the war because it wasn`t their war. They only joined when it was sure that the Nazi Germany is going to loose because of the 2 fronts. They saw the oportunity to kill 2 birds with 1 stone (Nazi and Communists) let them fight inflict as much damage as possible to each other so the great USA could bring democracy to them