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No. Do soviets? No. But they have them anyways.
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THe stock demo is the only thing "unique" about CEs. Its just a design/flavor choice
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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So your argument as to why CE need demo charges is that it's unique?
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No. U cut out the top 2/3 of my argument and ignored it
And ur not even getting the point of that sentence right, the whole point is that neccessity has nothing to do with it.
But relic made a design choice...
I dont get focusing on demos when ther is tons of examples of factions not getting things that others do...?
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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let saying, Weh get demo:
- How can Soviet attack if every corner, shotblock is demo despite Cons already weaker than Gren.
- Destroy shotblock, garrison give Ost huge advantage on both defend and offense by favor line of sight, long range attack on openfield. That why Heavy Jeager doctrine which give Pios C4 charge is fucking OP.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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Cons already weaker than Gren.
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What are you talking about. That was literally your first four words posted to this thread: "Do they need them?" If necessity has nothing to do with it then why even say that.
Because I like them and I don't see why only allies should have access to them. Simple as.
You know just as well as me that the game is almost nothing like it was when it first started out. It's not like these design choices are written commandments or something.
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Cuz if they dont need them y change it??? UR reason could not be more silly:
But y stop at demos.... I like teller mines too. I also like having stock rocket arty. I also like having free AA when i play OKW
Of course they arent, but i dont think relic was changing design just cuz they liked too... IT was for balance reasons
Simple question, is demos being only available stock to soviet CEs a balance issue?
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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Bro. You are all over the place. Pick your excuse and stick to it at least. Either necessity doesn't matter or it matters.
You start off posting "do they need them?" and then you switch to an argument about "bro it's just game design" and then you get angry at me for pointing that out.
The idea is that you take something away, but you give it back in another way. Which relic kind of failed at lmao (obviously not just in this regard). Sure, OST can open up new paths and destroy buildings with the satchel, but they don't have huge anti-blob potential without the demo.
Are we switching back to the necessity argument now? Yes, I guess it is, considering what theekvn said.
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snip
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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So it's just a design decision? Balance has nothing to do with it? In that case, if there were no balance issues to speak of, then you really don't personally have any argument against why OST shouldn't have them, do you?
It's just "well relic gave them to sov only so thats why". And I personally think that is a bad reason, especially when Relic's original design is hardly present in its original state in any form.
But, after other people have commented with some actual reasons for why this shouldn't be, I am satisfied with the current state of things. So if your only reason to come in to this thread was to convince me that axis shouldn't get them, consider your mission completed, thanks to Theekvn.
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Only thing i was trying to convince u of is that just becuz u like or dislike something, u need a better reason than that to make a change...
I gave u my argument and u ignored it. LIke i said, sure lets give Ost demos. But y stop there? U still havent answered that
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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bla bla who cares
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Y not give soviets bunkers, anti-personell minefields, and a dedicated AT mine?
I hate to burst your bubble man... but they actually do have access to all of those things. So I don't know what you're trying to prove here. Actually, even besides that, I don't know what point you're trying to prove here. The thread is already over. I got my answer.
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wehr does not have demo charges, but soviets dont have access to teller mines nor riegel 43 mines
i think thats a fair trade off, to be honest
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Stock.... U know what im talking about dude. Pios can get satchels with doctrine too if u wanna be like that
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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No, I don't, because I wasn't even arguing for stock necessarily. And satchels already got brought up in the thread. Not the same.
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