Royal engineer Recovery Squad

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 06:10 AMKurobane

Well in Viper's eyes everything on the Allied side is overpowered apparently. Wouldn't be surprised if he made a thread stating Rear Echelon or Combat Engineers were OP. He is probably trolling honestly.




Are you sending VG/Grenadiers into melee range? You do know there is a thread open about Grenadier being OP and OKW have the best stock infantry in the game. If you are losing Volksgrenadiers/Grenadiers to Royal Engineers then the issue is you. Why are you trying to melee Royal Engineers with units that excel at long range? Vipper is obviously trolling.


Second if Royal Engineers and UC is OP then you are saying that OKW is OP because Sturmpioneers with Minesweeper (faster repair speed) allows Kubelwagon to harass nonstop just like the UC.

Also unlike USF who have to just sit there and take it for the first few minutes, OKW have T0 AT Guns.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 06:18 AMVipper

Since you are claiming that vanilla Gren/Volks will beat RoRe pls provide proof of it.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 07:15 AMSupport Sapper

Since you are claiming that rro.e can "can walk over VG/Grenadier", pls provide proof of it. I dont know what others think but losing 1/2 model while close in before the enemy squad safely retreat/reposition is not exactly "walk over", at lest to me.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 07:15 AMSupport Sapper

And no, kurobane did not claim that vanilla Gren/Volks will beat RoRe, it is you putting words into his mount as "If you are losing Volksgrenadiers/Grenadiers to Royal Engineers then the issue is you" is not automatic translate to such claim. At best it can be understand that the match up outcome is depend on player input, leaving gren/vgren in mele range with ro.e is wrong input.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 07:51 AMVipper

You entitled to have your own definition of things and debate "walk over" as much as you like.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 07:51 AMVipper

the fact remains that RoRe are more durable than most troops of their time frame including other SMGs troops.

When it comes to taking casualties they will take less causalities than Assault IS for instance because they have better received accuracy.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 07:51 AMVipper

But that has little to do with this thread which is about the synergy of RoRe with UC and the initial engagements.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 07:51 AMVipper

I suggest you present your own views instead of the view of Kuroban.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 08:30 AMSupport Sapper

Then feel free to provide your own definition of "walk over" and prof of that before asking other, since you are the one who start it.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 08:30 AMSupport Sapper

As usual, you focus only on one aspect while neglect many other element of the unit. You present what you called "fact" but always in a incomplete picture, out of context or misleading, but this is not any new of you. Yes, better recc acc is a thing but there is also other "fact" like that Ro.e deal half the dps of ass section, meaning that they have to stay in combat longer to dish out same amount of dmg, thus more prone to causalities. Those element offset each others.

Edited: Anyway, if you already accept that the power lever of RRo.e itself is not an issue, then just move on.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 08:30 AMSupport Sapper

Which are already pointed out by many pp as to be no more troublesome than any other synergy combo of the same timing and have counter widely available in short/very short amount of time after contact. You you seriously think the combo should be shut down at the fist contact then it is simply delusional.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 08:30 AMSupport Sapper

i already did.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:02 AMminhuh064

still don't know how it is problematic when OKW can do exactly the same without picking any docs?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:20 AMVipper

Only it is more troublesome since other troop carriers with SMG troop arrive later.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:41 AMSupport Sapper

Ther are other more powerful smg troop arrive at the same time (0cp).
Troop in the UC cant fire and a drop is a onetime only high risk/reward move, which is nowhere near troublesome.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:21 AMVipper

I suggest you tried ti play OKW, you might discovery that contrary to UC kubel can not transport units and it a more powerful unit.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:47 AMSupport Sapper

I suggest you tried try play UKF,

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:47 AMSupport Sapper

you might discovery that contrary to kubel, Uc can not cap, unit inside cant not fire and actually cost more MP +(minor) fuel.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:21 AMVipper

I suggest you tried ti play OKW, you might discovery that contrary to UC kubel can not transport units and it a more powerful unit.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:51 AMminhuh064

So with 1 bren, can carry troop but cant fire out of it, is more powerful than kubel+ Stpio at minute 0?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:46 AMVipper

Tell you what since you do Play UKF I suggest that for you next 10 games you try an UC infatry drop and lets us know how many times it failed.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:56 AMSupport Sapper

Yes, i play UKF, that is why i know the tactic do not work. I and my team have tried it in 4v4 ever since the RRo.e is reworked. It is months since then, You think pp hadn't discovered the trick already? If it doesn't risky, pp have been abuse it hard, especially when it come with good doc like AVRE.

Like, how many time have you encountered it as axis ?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:50 AMVipper

I have 2.594 games as UKF.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:50 AMVipper

I have 2.594 games as UKF.



I am glad to see that you do agree with me that Kubel and UC are different units that are used differently and thus minhuh064's argument that "OKW can do exactly the same without picking any docs" hold no water at all. I am not sure why you quoting me thou instead of him and pointing out the differences to him.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:58 AMSupport Sapper

and how many time did uc drop troop worked out for you ?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 09:57 AMVipper

I have encountered it from top 10 4vs4 UKF players.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2022, 10:04 AMVipper

I personally like to abuse other UKF aspects and do generally do not play AVRE/Landmatress.

I am pretty sure sure you can find better players than me using UC to drop SMG infatry.