So B-4's was perfectly fine as they were. A fun arty that involved some luck but once it hit you could decimate your opponents army. Now it fires 3 or 4 shells? REALLY? Why bother nerf plane crashes if you want constant mega explosions in your base? How fun it is to try to dodge incoming B-4 Shells in your base which is impossible... its just pure luck if you do. I have lost 2 games now to B-4 shelling my retreat point.
So Who is the guy who came up with this idea??
B-4 is now the PERFECT artillery in the game.. all other are 100% inferior.
Who's idea was it to overbuff B-4??
20 Nov 2021, 20:09 PM
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20 Nov 2021, 21:36 PM
#2
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If it was true B4 commanders would be in at least top 5 picks across all teamgame mods, but yet they aren't
Edit: they are all below top 5 pick...everywhere.
Just from a perspective of a SOV main, I don't think there are enough advantages picking any of those commanders, because you have Katy, which does similar job while being stock. I'd rather have guards, 120mm, AT overwatch (my personal pick), ISU, IL2 bomb strike or mark target which are all very valuable in teamgames. Pick a combination of these abilities (minus AT overwatch) and you have a meta commander.
Edit: they are all below top 5 pick...everywhere.
Just from a perspective of a SOV main, I don't think there are enough advantages picking any of those commanders, because you have Katy, which does similar job while being stock. I'd rather have guards, 120mm, AT overwatch (my personal pick), ISU, IL2 bomb strike or mark target which are all very valuable in teamgames. Pick a combination of these abilities (minus AT overwatch) and you have a meta commander.
20 Nov 2021, 21:49 PM
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If it was true B4 commanders would be in at least top 5 picks across all teamgame mods, but yet they aren't
Pickrate is bad data, something can be OP for months before people figure it out.
20 Nov 2021, 21:54 PM
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Pickrate is bad data, something can be OP for months before people figure it out.
it's been 2 patches and people still don't use it, even if it was popular for a short time during buffed Sturmtiger patch. Read my edit.
20 Nov 2021, 22:16 PM
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it has been nerfed already
i miss the old b-4 and it was superior, but i dont think losing tanks in 1 hit or infantry wipes entirely due to lottery was something wehraboos liked
i miss the old b-4 and it was superior, but i dont think losing tanks in 1 hit or infantry wipes entirely due to lottery was something wehraboos liked
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21 Nov 2021, 00:24 AM
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it has been nerfed already
i miss the old b-4 and it was superior, but i dont think losing tanks in 1 hit or infantry wipes entirely due to lottery was something wehraboos liked
Nerfed? All i read was they reduced the suppression radius of it. Hardly the thing that matters, more like your units no longer exist in your base and it destroys your buildings super fast.
21 Nov 2021, 00:49 AM
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Nerfed? All i read was they reduced the suppression radius of it. Hardly the thing that matters, more like your units no longer exist in your base and it destroys your buildings super fast.
and the cooldown was increased
stop putting your retreat points at trash spots
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21 Nov 2021, 01:10 AM
#8
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and the cooldown was increased
stop putting your retreat points at trash spots
My retreat spot is my base ok? You are saying you can put retreat spots outside the map??
21 Nov 2021, 01:24 AM
#9
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My retreat spot is my base ok? You are saying you can put retreat spots outside the map??
There is not a 3v3 game where I've not had my base shelled by LeFH. All of your points are invalid and the B4 is weaker than it used to be
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
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21 Nov 2021, 01:24 AM
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My retreat spot is my base ok? You are saying you can put retreat spots outside the map??
Put them closer to your base
21 Nov 2021, 01:36 AM
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My retreat spot is my base ok? You are saying you can put retreat spots outside the map??
this is an inherent issue with all static arty
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21 Nov 2021, 05:17 AM
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The B-4 Nerf basically made it crap for the value. It no longer consistently suppresses and kills non-retreating squads. Back to lotto fun. For the insane CD and iffy total barrage damage, its not worth the pop.
It used to be the doom lotto machine and a properly scary AT gun, the nerf REALLY hurt it. We saw quickly after the patch that players adjusted to howi games and needing to retreat under B-4 fire. The B-4 lost prevalence after the first few weeks. Then they nerfed it, really nailing its coffin.
If you are getting B-4 shelled, the ML/20 would put better damage down range over time. Literally the only really nasty trait left is the B-4's ability to punish mass retreats.
It used to be the doom lotto machine and a properly scary AT gun, the nerf REALLY hurt it. We saw quickly after the patch that players adjusted to howi games and needing to retreat under B-4 fire. The B-4 lost prevalence after the first few weeks. Then they nerfed it, really nailing its coffin.
If you are getting B-4 shelled, the ML/20 would put better damage down range over time. Literally the only really nasty trait left is the B-4's ability to punish mass retreats.
21 Nov 2021, 15:38 PM
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Nerfed? All i read was they reduced the suppression radius of it. Hardly the thing that matters, more like your units no longer exist in your base and it destroys your buildings super fast.
Recharge time from 70 to 90 (- ~28%)
Suppression radius from 14 to 10 (- ~28%)
If you really think that the unit OP and people are wrong about it, go play SOV and spam it. See if you will slice through ladder with this lowkey OP strat. Because, lets be real, being wrong goes both ways and I'm not gonna pretend that meta commanders weren't popular before, just because nobody actually cared to try, e.g. SOV Airborne and OST Jaeger Infantry both were described as "OK" for a long time.
21 Nov 2021, 21:27 PM
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The nerf to the B4 is indicative of the entire "balance" philosophy of the community and devs' mindset, and highlights the current state of the game.
Previously, the B4 was so much fun to use. A truly potent unit that made the enemy quake in fear, and force them to deal with it straight away, and a big investment gamble for the allies. It didn't always pay off, but when it did it really gave us the opportunity to howl with rage or cackle with laughter.
So what did we do? We complained and cried until the devs nerfed it into obscurity, and flattened the fun curve.
Now, ladder games in top 100 are always a slug-fest, pig of a fight, and fights regularly last 45mins+, where even when you're winning you're frustrated as hell.
This games' intrigue and fun factor has been been nerfed alongside most of the unit potency.
I desperately hope CoH3 focuses more on game enjoyment rather than trying to balance a game like a German parking warden's rule book.
Previously, the B4 was so much fun to use. A truly potent unit that made the enemy quake in fear, and force them to deal with it straight away, and a big investment gamble for the allies. It didn't always pay off, but when it did it really gave us the opportunity to howl with rage or cackle with laughter.
So what did we do? We complained and cried until the devs nerfed it into obscurity, and flattened the fun curve.
Now, ladder games in top 100 are always a slug-fest, pig of a fight, and fights regularly last 45mins+, where even when you're winning you're frustrated as hell.
This games' intrigue and fun factor has been been nerfed alongside most of the unit potency.
I desperately hope CoH3 focuses more on game enjoyment rather than trying to balance a game like a German parking warden's rule book.
23 Nov 2021, 09:57 AM
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The b4 is too accurate and the shells are extremely deadly when they target base retreat point. Especially if there's a spotter plane.
It needs increased scatter, because it's often used alongside british with their base guns and even land mattress. Your base cannot survive that so it's game over when they appear.
You have to retreat your forces at some stage, so the b4 combo has huge inevitability, especially against okw which has expensive troops. Bear in mind your retreating units have 1 or 2 models left, so its easy for b4 to wipe them. Losing a volks and a ober to that strike is game over, for example.
This is all fine if that's how coh2 is meant to be played. If it is, my team will always be going b4.
edit: I was salty af xD
Obviously our team needs some off-map abilities to deal with their b4. Sucks to be stuck without any in that spot.
Would be nice if relic's commander design didn't leave gaping holes in the matchup that can only be covered by other commanders.
It needs increased scatter, because it's often used alongside british with their base guns and even land mattress. Your base cannot survive that so it's game over when they appear.
You have to retreat your forces at some stage, so the b4 combo has huge inevitability, especially against okw which has expensive troops. Bear in mind your retreating units have 1 or 2 models left, so its easy for b4 to wipe them. Losing a volks and a ober to that strike is game over, for example.
This is all fine if that's how coh2 is meant to be played. If it is, my team will always be going b4.
edit: I was salty af xD
Obviously our team needs some off-map abilities to deal with their b4. Sucks to be stuck without any in that spot.
Would be nice if relic's commander design didn't leave gaping holes in the matchup that can only be covered by other commanders.
It's Relic's responsibility.
24 Nov 2021, 02:04 AM
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How can B-4 fire 4 shots and you claimed it was "nerfed". B-4 used to fire a SINGLE SHOT!
24 Nov 2021, 05:10 AM
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How can B-4 fire 4 shots and you claimed it was "nerfed". B-4 used to fire a SINGLE SHOT!
It's 3 shots, not 4 and the AoE was nerfed hard with respect to its effectiveness against anything on wheels. It's arguably better vs infantry now if you count all 3 shots thanks to the larger total AoE and added suppression, but on the flip side it won't one-shot full-health squads nearly as often anymore. So overall not the OP cannon of doom you make it out to be, except maybe under very specific circumstances.
Ofc you could have easily known all that from a quick glance over the patch notes, but I guess that's too much to ask nowadays.
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24 Nov 2021, 11:11 AM
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Ofc you could have easily known all that from a quick glance over the patch notes, but I guess that's too much to ask nowadays.
Alternatively just build a damn thing and use it. This is not Starcraft, you don't have to almost learn the ropes again when switching a faction
Stuff is always OP when you have no idea what that stuff does, while it used properly against you.
24 Nov 2021, 11:45 AM
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Stuff is always OP when you have no idea what that stuff does, while it used properly against you.
Couldn't have said it any better!
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24 Nov 2021, 19:40 PM
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How can B-4 fire 4 shots and you claimed it was "nerfed". B-4 used to fire a SINGLE SHOT!
When you say things like this you're showing us that you've never used it yourself, you've only had it used against you
It's 3 shots, not 4. Try playing as the soviets and using the b4. It's not as good as you think it is
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