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Inconsistency in Population/Ressource

17 Nov 2021, 18:24 PM
#41
avatar of general_gawain

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if balance was symmetrical I would have agreed with your opinion, but otherwise I do not, because every faction have its unique stock units, that totally stand out compared to others. The obvious examples would be, pgrens, obers, comets and KT. So logically when you include those units this reduces amount of units available. E.g. comp consisting of several cons,2 zis,2 engies, single katy and an armada of t34 76 gonna be bigger then UKF analog but with comets.

Handling population the same way at all factions does have nothing to do with symmetrical/asymmetrical balance. I never said lets PGrens cost the same population as Conscripts for example, I said let them all cost according to their own overall power level. So yeah one army may be way bigger as another one of course, as long as the overall power level of all units together is the same in comparison to the smaller army of the other player. I just don't like the argument that FF has to be lowered because UKF is a population heavy faction. It should be lowered because its powerlevel is about population 15. There should be no population heavy faction, units should cost exactly the population they are worth in game value. This leads to a small army if each unit is powerful. Again, an army can rely more on munition, fuel or manpower but population should be an independent tool to balance the lategame.




Judging by patchnotes in recent history Jackson was never 15 pop, it used to be 14 before 17th of May 2018, then they bumped it to 16 (read my comment with a spoiler). So I have no idea where you've got this info from.

So it was 14 and went to 16? Seems I didn't remember correctly.
17 Nov 2021, 20:11 PM
#42
avatar of Klement Pikhtura

Posts: 772


Again, an army can rely more on munition, fuel or manpower but population should be an independent tool to balance the lategame.

which is why FF, SU85 and JP4 are 15 pop, while having different cost.
also:
t34/85 - 380mp 140f 14pop
p4j - 380mp 140f 14 pop
kv1 - 420mp 145f 16 pop
17 Nov 2021, 20:43 PM
#43
avatar of Vipper

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which is why FF, SU85 and JP4 are 15 pop, while having different cost.
also:
t34/85 - 380mp 140f 14pop
p4j - 380mp 140f 14 pop
kv1 - 420mp 145f 16 pop

KV-1 is not in the same class as PVJ and T-34/85, it is a heavy Tank not a premium medium.
17 Nov 2021, 20:58 PM
#44
avatar of Klement Pikhtura

Posts: 772

jump backJump back to quoted post17 Nov 2021, 20:43 PMVipper

KV-1 is not in the same class as PVJ and T-34/85, it is a heavy Tank not a premium medium.

no way
17 Nov 2021, 21:14 PM
#45
avatar of Vipper

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no way

yes way:

"KV-1 Heavy Tank
To give the KV-1 a more defined role as a breakthrough unit, we are slightly increasing its durability, and significantly increasing the rate at which it can get repaired."
17 Nov 2021, 21:16 PM
#46
avatar of Klement Pikhtura

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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Nov 2021, 21:14 PMVipper

yes way:

KV-1 Heavy Tank
To give the KV-1 a more defined role as a breakthrough unit, we are slightly increasing its durability, and significantly increasing the rate at which it can get repaired.

that was sarcasm, FYI...it is a light tank :wave:

Context:

Again, an army can rely more on munition, fuel or manpower but population should be an independent tool to balance the lategame.
17 Nov 2021, 21:18 PM
#47
avatar of Vipper

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that was sarcasm, FYI...it is a light tank :wave:

Context:


In sort you are comparing pop of units with different roles after claiming that it is ridiculous.

Ok fine, moving on.
17 Nov 2021, 21:49 PM
#48
avatar of Klement Pikhtura

Posts: 772

jump backJump back to quoted post17 Nov 2021, 21:18 PMVipper

In sort you are comparing pop of units with different roles after claiming that it is ridiculous.

Ok fine, moving on.

well I didn't say that mainline is more valuable then AT gun or HMG, at least you can actually compare mentioned by me units :hijack:
19 Nov 2021, 12:57 PM
#49
avatar of Katitof

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well I didn't say that mainline is more valuable then AT gun or HMG, at least you can actually compare mentioned by me units :hijack:


^He isn't wrong, he still compared T4 generalist tanks, while vipper compared mainline to support weapons, but somehow didn't attacked himself for doing such retardedly stupid comparison.
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