The devs did it again... Buffed B4 into the heaven

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 15:39 PMKurobane

Meanwhile literally every single match is Soviet B4 cancer. Previous patch had more commander diversity than this patch.

Also from a design perspective they should be trying to make each Commander possibly Meta material. If something is considered meta they should bring up other commanders to match that same level of strength. Instead they half ass some commanders to make them "middle ground" intentionally causing commander imbalance and forcing different meta like how they forced the current B4 Meta or the OKW Jaeger Light Infantry meta some time ago.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 15:39 PMKurobane

Wouldn't be that bad if they left in Counter Barrage but they removed Counter Barrage while making the B4 1 shot your LEFH.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 19:08 PMSkysTheLimit

Counter barrage did literally nothing to help you against a B4. You just call a barrage on it. It doesn't change firing positions, there was no reason to use CB against the B4/ML20

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 19:35 PMLady Xenarra

CB had an improved AOE damage profile that meant that the target gun was more likely to have crew knocked out in a hit rather than crew injured, and fewer hits overall to take the gun itself out.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 21:58 PMSkysTheLimit

Didn't think it was that significant. Iirc the kill radius was only like .2 or .3 larger in size. It definitely didn't hurt, but it's not a huge deal

Howitzers aren't supposed to reliably counter each other anyway. They CAN, but reliable counters are the off-maps. Which work just as well against B4 as anything else, regardless of how silly it is rn

A b4 "one-shotting" a lefh sounds like something that can only be common when there's several B4s. If they are limited to 1 (among other changes) I feel like RNG should still keep that rare

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 14:34 PMthe_onion_man

Again, it takes 4-5 minutes (assuming ZERO grenades, mines, etc) of munitions income to counter ONE B4 which can be built every ~2 minutes

And it's only a net loss for Soviets, excluding area denial, if the B4 never hits anything. And even then, it dominates the Axis' attention and demands the total use of all of their munitions resources, meaning nothing is available for grenades or mines and so on.

Also, while normally I would ignore Katitof and advise everyone to do the same, here I'll simply note that balance decisions have routinely been made since the game's release in terms of not putting too many powerful abilities all on the same commander. For obvious reasons.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2021, 00:09 AMGrumpy

You can build a B4 every 2 minutes only if you can beat your opponent with a small army and never lose anything.

The things that you're complaining about have been the bane of UKF for years. Their howitzer counters are more expensive and have much longer cooldowns. The only one that is comparable is the off-map in advanced emplacements but the rest of that commander sucks. Assault plus Supremacy is 310 munitions and has something like a 5 minute cooldown so you can't keep up with even a single player making howitzers.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 22:42 PMDescolata

CB had 25% higher damage with the SAME AoE characteristics AND 1.25 FoW accuracy mod, vs 1.75 normally. The saturation numbers were dumb.

CB REALLY let the leFH snipe other howitzers. It was oppressive.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2021, 01:10 AMSkysTheLimit

Wow did not know about the FoW modifiers. That's just silly

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2021, 01:03 AMtheekvn

Just axis players being braindead and sucking CB for too long

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2021, 01:29 AMGrumpy

I play both Axis and Allies. The point that the Axis players could've made is that a viable on-map howitzer will force them into the same stale meta that Allied players have had to endure for years. It wasn't too bad if you played Soviets before they took the bombing run out of Mechanized, but it got bad even as Soviet after that. I'm not looking forward to autopicking Storm for the next 300 games because I see 7 B4 commanders in the 4 opponents loadouts every game.

I've made the suggestion a couple of times that howitzers should be given the same treatment as heavies, meaning a limit on them and possibly even a cooldown on building them. I hope that the balance team thinks about something like that instead of just nerfing the B4 and pretending everything is fine. As a point of reference, the balance team specifically made the Priest so that it could not be decrewed when Priest spam was a thing. They should've done that to all howitzers.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2021, 01:29 AMGrumpy

I play both Axis and Allies. The point that the Axis players could've made is that a viable on-map howitzer will force them into the same stale meta that Allied players have had to endure for years. It wasn't too bad if you played Soviets before they took the bombing run out of Mechanized, but it got bad even as Soviet after that. I'm not looking forward to autopicking Storm for the next 300 games because I see 7 B4 commanders in the 4 opponents loadouts every game.

I've made the suggestion a couple of times that howitzers should be given the same treatment as heavies, meaning a limit on them and possibly even a cooldown on building them. I hope that the balance team thinks about something like that instead of just nerfing the B4 and pretending everything is fine. As a point of reference, the balance team specifically made the Priest so that it could not be decrewed when Priest spam was a thing. They should've done that to all howitzers.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2021, 01:45 AMSupport Sapper

i will feel irony if it take 4-5 years of allies suffering without any care then just a couple of day of same experience for axis that they stat to working on a way out for both side. Still, i will say that all is worth it if there is an actual way out for both side, if not, at least i know that now the enemy have to go through the same stuff as i.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2021, 02:09 AMKoRneY

yes. it is time for axis to suffer.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2021, 20:51 PMGrumpy

Thanks, I didn't realize Assault Arty would always get it. The Panzer Commander in Elite Armor also works but you have to get close to use the off-map arty as it it tied to the tank. Would be nice if you could put the commander on a Puma, then hunt Katy's and B4's.