I just played 4 team games today.
3 of them ended with Tiger Ace and all of them had several of 'normal' Tigers.
Tiger push combined with airstrike simply does not allow for any kind of massed defense, which is what you need to defeat such strong units.
Add command lag to the struggle and the supposed counter AT-nade and ram are in heavy trouble.
This is not just 'hard' for the soviet side. It's also very repetitive.
Wasn't the Tiger Ace supposed to be an extra spice? An occasional surprise?
Now it's not. Now it's part of the meta.
The tiger - not an endagered species
17 Nov 2013, 00:35 AM
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'There's honour in victory, honour in defeat and honour in just staying alive'.
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17 Nov 2013, 01:09 AM
#2
Posts: 140
Elite Troops and Soviet Industry destroyed this game.
I played 4-5 games with my friends today and we lost all due to tank/mg spam from soviets. When I loose a game because someone is better than me I cant take it. But when someone just have unfair advantage then i cant.
So no more COH2 for me until they fix this.
I played 4-5 games with my friends today and we lost all due to tank/mg spam from soviets. When I loose a game because someone is better than me I cant take it. But when someone just have unfair advantage then i cant.
So no more COH2 for me until they fix this.
17 Nov 2013, 01:18 AM
#3
Posts: 747
Thanks for another thread on this topic...
17 Nov 2013, 02:52 AM
#4
Posts: 3293
guys do we really need another thread on this. there are plenty of other threads to post in.
Failure is always an option. 
It's a happy massacre?! (yes, yes it is!)
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17 Nov 2013, 09:55 AM
#5
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READ before you discard a post!
My question is if the AMOUNT of tigers was really intended?
Balance is a different question.
My question is if the AMOUNT of tigers was really intended?
Balance is a different question.
'There's honour in victory, honour in defeat and honour in just staying alive'.
[Quote from Wings Reel]
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17 Nov 2013, 10:21 AM
#6
Posts: 2425
Permanently BannedWat.
Many vanilla commanders have Tiger.
I dont understand your point.
Many vanilla commanders have Tiger.
I dont understand your point.
17 Nov 2013, 12:41 PM
#7
Posts: 971
This is not just 'hard' for the soviet side. It's also very repetitive.
That is what I said the first time I saw that commander.
Nothing prevents the german player to call the Tiger Ace EVERY game when he sees the game is lost.
VCoH King Tiger was fun. It was expensive and hard to see in most games. Powerful, but still possible to destroy with a couple of tanks and ATs.
Tiger Ace is a magic tank, with numbers that doesn't match any existing WWII tank, impossible to kill without suiciding several T34s or placing lucky mines.
Creates a repetitive and boring mechanic in the game that shouldn't be allowed in a RTS game.
Soviet Industry still can be toned down for balance, but Tiger Ace needs a complete redesign.
17 Nov 2013, 13:43 PM
#8
Posts: 63
Proposed fix; in a 2v2 match a maximum of 1 player can choose the elite doctrine, in 3v3 and 4v4 a maximum of 2. So the first to choose it gets it, the option will be blacked out for the rest of the team. Should make for less extreme outcomes, while still making the commander viable.
18 Nov 2013, 11:07 AM
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60 Posts: 93
Proposed fix; in a 2v2 match a maximum of 1 player can choose the elite doctrine, in 3v3 and 4v4 a maximum of 2. So the first to choose it gets it, the option will be blacked out for the rest of the team. Should make for less extreme outcomes, while still making the commander viable.
So people will have paid for a commander they can't use? Not gonna happen.
18 Nov 2013, 12:57 PM
#10
Posts: 688
Greeb is on to something here. TA needs to have a direct cost of some sort so it stops being a 'wth - I lost anyway, so why not try this'.
But apart from that, I think the number of (normal) Tigers in games needs looking into. It is my impression that they are much more numerous now - and in vetted versions.
But ofc. as all of us move up and down the ranks, it could influence play experience.
So what's everyones' verdict here? Did Tigers grow in numbers post-patch or not?
But apart from that, I think the number of (normal) Tigers in games needs looking into. It is my impression that they are much more numerous now - and in vetted versions.
But ofc. as all of us move up and down the ranks, it could influence play experience.
So what's everyones' verdict here? Did Tigers grow in numbers post-patch or not?
'There's honour in victory, honour in defeat and honour in just staying alive'.
[Quote from Wings Reel]
[Quote from Wings Reel]
18 Nov 2013, 16:21 PM
#11
Posts: 3293
READ before you discard a post!
My question is if the AMOUNT of tigers was really intended?
Balance is a different question.
i don't think you really explained it that well as you may have hoped to (atleast imo). after rereading it I get what you said but only after you pointed it out. get it now you make an interesting point.
Failure is always an option. It's a happy massacre?! (yes, yes it is!) Caffeine illegal for WiFi's to ingest in 48 states, 2 colonies, and 1 providences. To make most awesome thing in universe combine Bears and Nicholas Cage! and remember kids, we didn't start the flame-war!
18 Nov 2013, 16:37 PM
#12
Posts: 915
Tiger Ace and Tigers should have limited call ins like in vCoH
18 Nov 2013, 20:45 PM
#13
Posts: 688
Allright, I apologise for a bad, initial post. Happy that was cleared up, though.
Now, wth was Gleeb banned? I thought he was doing some sensible posting at least in this thread.
Now, wth was Gleeb banned? I thought he was doing some sensible posting at least in this thread.
'There's honour in victory, honour in defeat and honour in just staying alive'.
[Quote from Wings Reel]
[Quote from Wings Reel]
18 Nov 2013, 22:19 PM
#14
Posts: 971
Allright, I apologise for a bad, initial post. Happy that was cleared up, though.
Now, wth was Gleeb banned? I thought he was doing some sensible posting at least in this thread.
Hahaha I'm not banned dude
"Banned" is the name of my gaming clan, and my avatar is our logo.
But thanks for your concern anyway.
18 Nov 2013, 22:57 PM
#15
Posts: 688
Lol. Got me there.
'There's honour in victory, honour in defeat and honour in just staying alive'.
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