My USF tech rework idea.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 08:10 AMC3 TOOTH

HQ:
- Riflemen
- Rear
- Ambulance
- Mortar


Platoon: 30fuel
- ATgun
- Supportgun (requires Mechanize Platoon OR Company)
Mechanize Platoon: 30fuel
- Lieu (400mp), has double Bar by default
- AAHT


Company: 30fuel
- MG
- M20 (requires Mechanize Company OR Platoon)
Mechanize Company: 30fuel
- Cap (400mp), has double Zook by default
- Stuart


Battalion: 90fuel
- Sherman
- Carrier
Mechanize Battalion: 30fuel
- Major
- Jackson
- Doc tanks

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.Lieu, Cap, Major are no more free squads, you have to buy them in Mechanize tech. This is to avoid getting 2 free squads mid game for USF.

.Players who go for Platoon & Company tech will get 2 free squads, while the units diversity is really low mid game (Riflemen, Rear, Lieu, Cap + weapon teams). This new tech will give them various units in mid game no matter which tech they go.

.There are many tech paths for USF to pick. Each of them is unique
-Platoon(AT) + Company(AI): ATgun, supportgun, MG, M20
-Platoon(AT) + MechaPlat(AI): ATgun, supportgun, Lieu, AAHT
-Company(AI) + MechaCom(AT): MG, M20 , Cap, Stuart

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Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 08:36 AMEsxile

third point is the complete lack of shock value before getting 60 fuel invested on one tier, how are you supposed to fight early pzgren followed by 222 if everything that have the same shock value is locked behind 60 fuel tech

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 13:48 PMHannibal

At least in that regard, currently everything is locked behind 55 fuel tech, so that's not a huge difference.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 16:30 PMAntemurale

The Manpower cost for the tech structures was increased a few patches ago when they reworked USF teaching. I'd argue that it's in a good spot at the moment.

A 70FU investment that gives you access to both the MG and ATG is all you need. You have two extra Riflemen-equivalent squads for infantry power and the tools to deal with everything the enemy can field against you. You lack the light vehicle powerspike but it's a safer, steadier option.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 18:17 PMMarkedRaptor

I wish the captain/LT came out slightly faster but the mechanized research took slightly longer. It feels like forever that you're fighting with either 2-3 rifles waiting for them to come out.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 16:42 PMEsxile

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Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 19:02 PMHannibal

And nothing of this is changed by OP's suggestion.
If anything, you could tech those a bit later because you could buy a doubly upgraded squad.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 20:38 PMEsxile

By OP's suggestion you would have to get 4 rifles to stay relevant early game. Instead of having a superior unit from tech (lt or cpt) and associate it with your next unit from tech, you'll be stuck with having to chose between them.

Some time ago I would have agree with this proposal to get ride of the free units but today other factions have been balanced around it already.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 20:52 PMHannibal

The point I quoted was you saying that 60 fuel is too much as a preinvestment before getting an LV. The MP and build order is another issue, I only wanted to point out that fuel wise, not much changes from live to OP's suggestion

Jump back to quoted post24 Apr 2021, 06:47 AMEsxile

Fuel wise your first soft counter to 222 or 221 is gated behind 60 fuel instead of coming on the lieutenant. Fuel wise you have nothing to counter pzgren before 60 fuel and tech the 400mp captain instead of having him with one bar. I'm fully aware that change nothing for the lv timing but those aren't the topic here, i'm talking getting cpt or lt and what they bring to the player 30 fuel and 400 mp later with nothing to compensate it. As I said, before the ostheer revamp I would have agree, not anymore today.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 08:10 AMC3 TOOTH

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Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 15:16 PMC3 TOOTH

I didnt think free squads are so needed. I just dont like the fact 70fuel tech give you 2 free squads with only MG and AT