Top level player allegedly maphacking in CoH2

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 15:16 PMHannibal

Yes those obviously do. They are a problem too if they transmit personal data. Optimally, they only transmit if they found something weird and the rest gets never saved.

But we don't have such a thing. If I got it correctly, people are suggesting that some 'experts' get remote control access over Seekings PC and check all installed programs and data files.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 16:21 PMEsxile

Then how do you know who's doing what? Is this uncle for real?

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 15:39 PMCieZ

You'd also need to look at everything that has been deleted. Presumably, *IF* he was hacking, he has since uninstalled the program since he is under suspicion. You'd also have to hope/assume that he hadn't run some sort of drive/free space wipe on the SSD/HDD that the hacks were installed to. And there's still the potential that he played on his own account, on his uncle's PC, hacked via his uncle's software, but never hacked on his own computer.

It's an idea to let some one trusted analyze his PC, although I doubt there are many (if any) of us in this community with the proper knowledge/credentials to do it properly. And it wouldn't necessarily rule out foul play. And Seeking shouldn't willingly give anyone that level of access to his PC because going through a forensic process like that is extremely invasive.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 16:16 PMGrumpy

While I agree that the accusations probably shouldn't have been made public, just the boosting speaks volumes to his character and is ban-worthy all by itself. Are you really here to defend boosting?

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 14:52 PMCieZ

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Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 18:14 PMelchino7

I want anyone to show me that it is humanely possible to send an input key after receiving visual stimulus and for that to happen around 5/10 frames. In a game which has around 0.500ms/0.800ms delayed based on his distance to the servers.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 18:14 PMelchino7

I want anyone to show me that it is humanely possible to send an input key after receiving visual stimulus and for that to happen around 5/10 frames. In a game which has around 0.500ms/0.800ms delayed based on his distance to the servers.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 18:30 PMIpKaiFung

A very important point indeed.

The average reaction time to visual stimulus is 250ms.

Add the server lag and you have almost a second, depending on your distance from the server.

Not taking into account PC lag, which varies depending on your monitor refresh rate and PC hardware.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 18:56 PMblvckdream

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if Seeking was some Eastern European or Asian guy without this level of popularity.

I can guarantee he would have been banned 10 times already.

Instead, so many people are coming out claiming he was treated unfairly because people rightfully call him out for cheating.

Not even mentioning the fact that he has played on an account that belongs to a guy with 3 VAC bans and is confirmed coh2 map hacking. Not only has he played on said account, he has also played on the computer on which the maphack was(is) installed. I don't even know what to say at this point.

Incredible double-standards by the community as well as the people that are responsible for actually banning coh2 accounts.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 18:56 PMblvckdream

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if Seeking was some Eastern European or Asian guy without this level of popularity.

I can guarantee he would have been banned 10 times already.

Instead, so many people are coming out claiming he was treated unfairly because people rightfully call him out for cheating.

Not even mentioning the fact that he has played on an account that belongs to a guy with 3 VAC bans and is confirmed coh2 map hacking. Not only has he played on said account, he has also played on the computer on which the maphack was(is) installed. I don't even know what to say at this point.

Incredible double-standards by the community as well as the people that are responsible for actually banning coh2 accounts.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 18:56 PMblvckdream

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if Seeking was some Eastern European or Asian guy without this level of popularity.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 19:56 PMCreativeName

A random Eastern European or Asian guy without this level of popularity wouldnt have to suffer a witch hunt before the investigation is over

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 16:34 PMCieZ

No. I'm not here to defend anything or anyone. I made that pretty clear. I didn't even bring up the boosting because this thread isn't about that but since it has been mentioned - obviously the boosting isn't good but it's also unrelated to the reason he has been barred from participating in ML events and not nearly as despicable as maphacking (if that part is true).

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 14:52 PMCieZ

As for the evidence presented in A_E's initial video... in my opinion it is exceedingly weak.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 14:52 PMCieZ

Some community members messaged me some other clips that were slightly more convincing but personally I am not convinced that there was foul play.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 14:52 PMCieZ

The only clip that was even remotely suspicious in my opinion in A_E's initial video was when Seeking chased an AT gun to the corner of a map and from A_E's interview with Seeking, Seeking said that he had seen the AT gun prior to the clip itself. I have not verified this claim, but if true, even that clip isn't worthwhile.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 14:52 PMCieZ

The Brumb attack ground is mildly suspicious at best, however ordering an attack ground into a bottleneck when you know or suspect a push is coming isn't exactly mind-blowing. And I believe the AT guns had been shooting at his brumb when he ordered the second attack ground - although this was difficult to discern from A_E's youtube clip.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 14:52 PMCieZ

Looking at the edge of the fog of war isn't really suspicious in my opinion, especially early game if you're anticipating that a squad could show up, or trying to listen for some sort of vehicle. Everyone in this community listens into the fog for engine sounds/repair sounds or checks spawn locations in the case of team games to look at the base footprints. In 99-100% of my team games, I've looked into the fog to determine spawn locations, would that be evidence of maphacking? In general no, but if I had been accused publicly and people were LOOKING for evidence, it could be. Particularly if my camera happens to pan onto a squad while looking into the base.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 14:52 PMCieZ

However, I did feel like addressing the way that the entire situation was handled in hopes of encouraging similar situations to be handled differently in the future. The initial evidence showed little to no hard evidence of maphacking, and I believe that many of the clips that followed were simply confirmation bias.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 14:52 PMCieZ

To be clear, I have no dog in the fight.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 19:56 PMCreativeName

A random Eastern European or Asian guy without this level of popularity wouldnt have to suffer a witch hunt before the investigation is over

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 20:12 PMGrumpy

You obviously do, or you wouldn't have posted this. If you want to defend him, go ahead, but don't pretend that you are not.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2021, 20:20 PMHannibal

The "dog in the fight" means he does not have personal gains or relations to any of the people involved. That does not mean you can't have an opinion on the matter.