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First, shells do not fall on the entire designated area, but only from the initial 3rd strip, and the last 3rd strip(at least, you can make the shells fly along the entire length of the designation areas), and secondly, the first and last projectile always hit, almost in one place(it may be worth making these shells as random as the rest of the MLRS)
P.S. I hope you understand what I wrote correctly
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Agreed, although it's probably because of how often things change. Even with that though some of the descriptions are still inexcusably bad
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That's fair, but on the whole it's rough.
Combat blitz vs blitz vs step on it vs overdrive vs flanking speed vs emergency war speed for example, some are speed boosts, some also provide combat buffs, they are all different but none of that is communicated...
Ost hull down and kv-1 hull down have different effects and are applied differently
Aimed shot for the Puma does differnt things depending on the target mark target does different things depending on the faction and none of them actually tells you what they do....
It goes on but I don't need to explain it to you. Like I said, a polish patch would be fantastic and a hope for coh3 is not needing to go to a 3rd party site to know what stuff does
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Adding scatter would make the barrage harder to dodge though. Seems like a double edged sword.
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it is better to do this at random than when the projectile hits exactly where the shot was indicated. Since this makes calculations very vulnerable, for example, you provoke the calculation to decompose and at the same time make a precise salvo, and in most cases it is wiped. Also, there are calculations that take a long time to collect, for example, 120 mortar. Almost 100% of the time, he won't be able to dodge
It is better to be a random, as well as with other units. (this also applies to brummbar)
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edit: double post
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the very first projectile, always lying between the 3rd and 4th bands, the rest of the shells are random
Not sure if people were even criticizing the idea to change the target reticule to "circles", but I'll address this one quickly because it indeed doesn't make sense and would actually make things worse (the current in-game targeting indicator may not be perfect, but it is pretty accurate nonetheless).
I guess a lot of frustration comes from the fact that people don't know how scatter works for the Walking Stuka, or in other words, where to expect the rockets to land.
To make it short: each rocket has a 8 x 8 m square where it can land in, regardless of distance or orientation (due to the absence of range-dependent scatter), with all 6 squares forming a 48 x 8 m rectangle (see graph below for clarity).
The 'center point' of this rectangle (or the pivot the indicator rotates around) lies in the middle of the 3rd square, so the last rocket will actually impact a bit further from the center point than the first. Apart from this, each rocket will always land in its respective square, not anywhere else, meaning there are no gaps or anything such where rockets could never impact.
The actual point of impact in each square is of course totally random, so two projectiles can, at best, land right next to each other or, at worst, up to ~9 m apart - this is where the perceived gaps in the impact distribution arises from.
Now, as a TLDR, what does this all mean?
- The rectangular indicator is already a pretty good representation of the rocket impact pattern, and the only way to improve it would be to give it the actual dimensions of the in-game scatter box (48 x 8 m).
- There's no real secret to placing the barrage, apart from knowing the dimension of the scatter box and lining up the ability accordingly (including all the guesswork of where the target will have moved to by the time the rockets arrive, of course).
- There is, however, the possibility to either maximize the damage output or reduce the chance of dealing no damage at all to a given target, depending how the reticule is placed:
To maximize damage output, the target should be placed right in between two adjacent squares. This way there is the (rather small) chance of two rockets impacting right next to the target, but the odds to miss completely are also highest.
On the other hand, if the target sits right in the center of any square, chances to completely miss are rather small, leading to more consistent damage output on average.
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what appears to be random is actually following a pattern that ensures every rocket hits in a designated area along the drawn in-game indicator
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black, where the projectiles do not fall at all, green, where the first and last fall, in the current patch, this is how it works
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To be fair, this is a problem of the indicator and can be changed easy. Indicators arn't generated by weapon-stats, they are created by an independently overlay.
Edit: Same for Stumtiger, the indicator doesn't fit shell's
trajectory (rocket ^^) That could be fixed by overshooting the indicator... I don't know why they don't fix it like that.
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projectiles that fly to the center sometimes fall next to each other (randomly), but the first and last always fall at these points(if there is a spread, then it is not visible)
and also, I tried firing in the patch, and the projectile fell into the area painted over at the end(if fired at close range )
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then it looks like it is indeed working as intended.
from what i tested in the live version a while ago, the indicator and the scatter box should align roughly like this:
so every rocket falls into a separate square rougly 3 chevrons wide and as you showed already in your image, no rocket will land in the area around the first 3 chevrons.
i guess the indicator could be shortened at the beginning to better match the scatter pattern, but i think it is already quite accurate otherwise?
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It goes on but I don't need to explain it to you. Like I said, a polish patch would be fantastic and a hope for coh3 is not needing to go to a 3rd party site to know what stuff does
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That's about how I see it
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That's about how I see it
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Ok went back into the editor and made a small mod to test the creeping barrage scatter again. And I'm quite confident to say that it does work as intended, i.e. first and last rockets scatter in the same way as all the other rockets in the middle do.
You can test it out yourself if you're so inclined via this small mod:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2404458576
All it does is increase the number of rockets fired into the first and last box (the ones with the X in your pic) to 100 and remove the explosion/crater effects in order to make it easier to see where exactly the rockets impact.
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Ok went back into the editor and made a small mod to test the creeping barrage scatter again. And I'm quite confident to say that it does work as intended, i.e. first and last rockets scatter in the same way as all the other rockets in the middle do.
You can test it out yourself if you're so inclined via this small mod:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2404458576
All it does is increase the number of rockets fired into the first and last box (the ones with the X in your pic) to 100 and remove the explosion/crater effects in order to make it easier to see where exactly the rockets impact.
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Decrease the CD on vet 4 ability suppressive fire which is very long
Replace the passive sprint and an active timed one (that goes all infatry)
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