To be honest mg42 incendiary rounds are way better than this.
Imo vet1 camo for vickers sounds better.
[Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback
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10 Feb 2021, 13:40 PM
#761
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10 Feb 2021, 15:25 PM
#762
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Sustained fire if something could make sense with the vickers.
"Pain is almost euphoric sam!"
10 Feb 2021, 16:08 PM
#763
Posts: 3423 | Subs: 1
If you have trouble understanding the advantage of extra range (and damage and penetration) I can not really help you.
So in other words, you don't have an argument. And dont try to change it now either, you specifically said "outranging the MG" was the problem, and you still haven't given a reason
I already said the pen bonus is unnecessary, try to keep up
10 Feb 2021, 18:20 PM
#768
Posts: 772
An mg that can fight other hmg but out ranging them is a bad idea...
What about an HMG in the faction that has 0 mobile non doctrinal indirect fire team weapons?
10 Feb 2021, 18:48 PM
#769
Posts: 13496 | Subs: 1
What about an HMG in the faction that has 0 mobile non doctrinal indirect fire team weapons?
What about it?
What is the relevance of an HMG which is direct fire weapon with indirect fire weapons?
10 Feb 2021, 18:55 PM
#770
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What is the relevance of an HMG which is direct fire weapon with indirect fire weapons?
What is the relevance of your entire argument? You still haven't provided a reason it's not okay for the vickers to temporarily outrange other MGs for a cost
10 Feb 2021, 19:15 PM
#771
Posts: 4183 | Subs: 4
What about it?
What is the relevance of an HMG which is direct fire weapon with indirect fire weapons?
Mortars are intended to counter MGs teams, something the brits solely lack.
What is the relevance of your entire argument? You still haven't provided a reason it's not okay for the vickers to temporarily outrange other MGs for a cost
Pyro + vickers nondoc is pretty lame to just creep forward pushing your opponent out while he can't return fire or see you. Similar to OST pios or pathfinders just seeing their opponents without your opponent being able to do anything about it.
10 Feb 2021, 20:09 PM
#772
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Pyro + vickers nondoc is pretty lame to just creep forward pushing your opponent out while he can't return fire or see you.
Can't return fire with what? An mg42? Mortar will still work. The whole point of MGs is to prevent the target from returning fire. So you flank it with something else or shell it with arty
I would like to see that maneuver in practice cause Idk how that would even work. There's a lot of time where the Vickers isn't firing if you're moving it AND using the ability
If it was a passive trait no longer tied to garrisons yeah it would be OP as hell. As a timed ability with a forced reload? Don't see how
Similar to OST pios or pathfinders just seeing their opponents without your opponent being able to do anything about it.
Yeah I think those units are fine? And there are many examples of things those units spot for outranging their target, just not MGs, which aren't meant to fight eachother anyway
10 Feb 2021, 20:42 PM
#773
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Mortars are intended to counter MGs teams, something the brits solely lack.
...
Yes UKF luck mortar but there is no relevance between that and having a HMG with 52 range.
10 Feb 2021, 21:46 PM
#774
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Yes UKF luck mortar but there is no relevance between that and having a HMG with 52 range.
If you do not have tool A, tool B needs to cover for it and do more.
You know, like whole fucking brit roster.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
10 Feb 2021, 22:10 PM
#776
Posts: 772
What about it?
What is the relevance of an HMG which is direct fire weapon with indirect fire weapons?
Because all indirect fire weapons outrange HMGs, aren't they? So HMG with increased range may be used as an HMG counter. Please read your earlier comment and my reply to it more closely.
10 Feb 2021, 22:28 PM
#777
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If you do not have tool A, tool B needs to cover for it and do more.
You know, like whole fucking brit roster.
So now in your opinion Vickers needs to have more range in order to fight Axis HMG when just the other day you posted:
Why?
If you're fighting HMGs using HMGs you are already doing it wrong.
You aware that you are contradicting yourself, right?
10 Feb 2021, 22:29 PM
#778
Posts: 13496 | Subs: 1
Because all indirect fire weapons outrange HMGs, aren't they? So HMG with increased range may be used as an HMG counter. Please read your earlier comment and my reply to it more closely.
You have to katitof about that according to who:
"If you're fighting HMGs using HMGs you are already doing it wrong."
If UKF need more tools to deal with HMG there are better solution than vickers.
10 Feb 2021, 22:57 PM
#779
Posts: 103
If UKF need more tools to deal with HMG there are better solution than vickers.
Name them.
10 Feb 2021, 22:58 PM
#780
Posts: 3423 | Subs: 1
You have to katitof about that according to who:
Or you could just answer the questions people have been asking you.
You still haven't given any justification for why a Vickers shouldn't be able to temporarily outrange other MGs for a cost...
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