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Chaos Kreig

15 Nov 2020, 09:57 AM
#1
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SOme stats from Chaos Kreig

Totals 111 allied wins 58 (52.3%) Axis wins 53 (47.7%)

USF W/L 40/30 (57.1%)
Soviet W/L 7 /6 (53.8%)
Ostheer W/L 45/44 (50.6%)
UKF W/L 11/17 (39.3%)
OKW W/L 8/13 (38.1%)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GgIJPHWz1JULd4WZatwpTJPUSC7T-p__LAWmHtmup9o/edit#gid=0

https://www.coh2.org/news/106880/master-league-3-chaoskrieg-recap-and-onto-the-wc-2020
15 Nov 2020, 10:40 AM
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15 Nov 2020, 11:03 AM
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Round 1 is irrelevant due to massive skill differences.
The rest of the tournament:
Soviets: 4 wins 3 losses
USF: 23 wins 18 losses
UKF: 6 wins 7 losses
Ost: 24 wins 28 losses
OKW: 4 wins 5 losses

What can be determined from this is that USF seems to be better in a 250VP scenario than Ostheer.
15 Nov 2020, 11:13 AM
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Round 1 is irrelevant due to massive skill differences.
....

That seems to be an arbitrary claim.
15 Nov 2020, 11:24 AM
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Yeah posting and discussing Winrates from tournaments/public matches is pretty worthless. People, whos opinion gets supported by the stats, will mindlessly argue with them and on the other side will people, whos opinion doesnt get supported by the stats, just claim that the statistics are wortless cause X and Y. And in the end the discussion will derail into a debate about statistics.
15 Nov 2020, 12:10 PM
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avatar of Sander93

Posts: 3166 | Subs: 6

Round 1 is irrelevant due to massive skill differences.
The rest of the tournament:
Soviets: 4 wins 3 losses
USF: 23 wins 18 losses
UKF: 6 wins 7 losses
Ost: 24 wins 28 losses
OKW: 4 wins 5 losses

What can be determined from this is that USF seems to be better in a 250VP scenario than Ostheer.


No 80% win ratio for Ostheer? Kappa
15 Nov 2020, 12:13 PM
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avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

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No 80% win ratio for Ostheer? Kappa


Sure, go back to the 500VP games with meta commanders and you’ll see it.

Also look up something called hyperbole. 👌
Pip
15 Nov 2020, 19:05 PM
#17
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Sure, go back to the 500VP games with meta commanders and you’ll see it.

Also look up something called hyperbole. 👌


Are there some recent tournaments where Ostheer had an 80% winrate?
15 Nov 2020, 20:13 PM
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Seems like some people just discovered the thread on announcements. Gonna paste in the opening post.

https://www.coh2.org/news/106880/master-league-3-chaoskrieg-recap-and-onto-the-wc-2020
15 Nov 2020, 20:17 PM
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What is the point of this thread?
15 Nov 2020, 20:17 PM
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For those who don't know what it was:

Featuring 250 VPs and random maps, the format was designed, as the name implies, to introduce maximum chaos while still keeping things fair and balanced in a tournament format.


There are a lot of changes in Chaos Krieg compared to previous ML events. Of course, this is most likely due to the 250 VP change, putting a greater focus on the early game and reducing the chances of a drawn-out game slim-to-none. This is most clearly reflected in faction selection which biased USF and Ostheer over the others.

To me, there were two pieces of data that stood out the most. First, is the lack of ace games. In Man lebt nur Zweimal, there were a plethora of ace games in all rounds of the tournament. Three of the four upper bracket quarter finals matches were split 2-1 and all of the upper bracket semi-finals, too. In the lower bracket, half of the matches on day two were split 2-1. In Commander Terminator, there were a healthy amount of ace games, too. In Chaos Krieg, only two matches were played out to their final round.

The second piece of data is the lack of seed upsets. In Man lebt nur Zweimal there were many upsets throughout, despite the fact that Luvnest, seeded first, came out on top in the end. In Commander Terminator it was much the same, with Luvnest being knocked out in the second round. With Chaos Krieg, we saw all eight seeds make it to the final eight spots and the upsets only came in the quarter finals.
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