T34/85s now suck

Jump back to quoted post11 Nov 2020, 23:45 PMSkysTheLimit

That seems like a horrible design choice, so I'm glad that accident happened. Makes no sense for it to be worse against infantry and 40 fuel more expensive

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2020, 00:47 AMPip

I imagine it was supposed to be on the same line of thinking as the Panther vs the PIV or perhaps the Sherman vs the Sherman 76, for a more relevant comparison.

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2020, 14:52 PMCrecer13

I can't find a place for myself for the T-34-85. This is anti everything - anti nothing. Its AI is not that good, Pz.4 has the best AI with constant wiping of a full squad. Its AT abilities are solid only against Pz.4, other tanks are constantly bouncing. Therefore, I will always prefer the more specialized unit SU-85 + Katyusha. Yes it will be more expensive and time-consuming. But also much more reliable.

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2020, 18:23 PMPip

It's a premium medium generalist. It being good against the P4 and not heavier tanks is sort of the point, surely?

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2020, 18:51 PMCrecer13

Against Pz.4 it is good and ZiS-3 but its does not cost 130 fuel. And to spend 130 fuel for a Pz.4 hunter whose main cannon only scratches the infantry (machine guns do more damage than a gun) oh no buddy, I don't see any benefit here. The T-34-85 is a slightly less useless T-34-76. If the T-34-76 is useful as a kamikaze unit. That T-34-85 at least can kill Pz.4. 1st veterancy and the absence of any real abilities further aggravates their situation.

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2020, 18:51 PMCrecer13

Against Pz.4 it is good and ZiS-3 but its does not cost 130 fuel. And to spend 130 fuel for a Pz.4 hunter whose main cannon only scratches the infantry (machine guns do more damage than a gun) oh no buddy, I don't see any benefit here. The T-34-85 is a slightly less useless T-34-76. If the T-34-76 is useful as a kamikaze unit. That T-34-85 at least can kill Pz.4. 1st veterancy and the absence of any real abilities further aggravates their situation.

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2020, 19:37 PMPip

Only scratches infantry? Since when?

At least according to Stein's Calculations the T-34/85 cannon is very similar in performance to the P4s against infantry... the main difference being a slightly lower "near" distance... and apparently lower max scatter.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H5z6szCfhmAAnDprmgwLzc-viZg4HPhKZshNLErvnck/edit#gid=1619743570

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2020, 18:51 PMCrecer13

Against Pz.4 it is good and ZiS-3 but its does not cost 130 fuel. And to spend 130 fuel for a Pz.4 hunter whose main cannon only scratches the infantry (machine guns do more damage than a gun) oh no buddy, I don't see any benefit here. The T-34-85 is a slightly less useless T-34-76. If the T-34-76 is useful as a kamikaze unit. That T-34-85 at least can kill Pz.4. 1st veterancy and the absence of any real abilities further aggravates their situation.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2020, 00:55 AMWardog3055

Yes, somebody other than the Nazis makes a comment. Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. It has always been good against other medium tanks and still is, not great, but good. It was also good against infantry. Now, even with two 85s, infantry just stand there and practically take no damage. Now my T85s are running from their own shadows. I mean tell me 1, just 1 tank that has to run from infantry from the Nazi side... think about it.