T34/85s now suck
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That seems like a horrible design choice, so I'm glad that accident happened. Makes no sense for it to be worse against infantry and 40 fuel more expensive
I imagine it was supposed to be on the same line of thinking as the Panther vs the PIV, or perhaps the Sherman vs the Sherman 76, for a more relevant comparison.
I dunno, I can see the thinking, though I can't comment on whether it would be the right choice.
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I imagine it was supposed to be on the same line of thinking as the Panther vs the PIV or perhaps the Sherman vs the Sherman 76, for a more relevant comparison.
The panther and p4 are in separate tiers, and are completely different units in multiple ways. The Sherman comparison makes a little more sense, but the m4a3 and 76mm only have a 15 fuel cost difference
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I can't find a place for myself for the T-34-85. This is anti everything - anti nothing. Its AI is not that good, Pz.4 has the best AI with constant wiping of a full squad. Its AT abilities are solid only against Pz.4, other tanks are constantly bouncing. Therefore, I will always prefer the more specialized unit SU-85 + Katyusha. Yes it will be more expensive and time-consuming. But also much more reliable.
It's a premium medium generalist. It being good against the P4 and not heavier tanks is sort of the point, surely?
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Against Pz.4 it is good and ZiS-3 but its does not cost 130 fuel. And to spend 130 fuel for a Pz.4 hunter whose main cannon only scratches the infantry (machine guns do more damage than a gun) oh no buddy, I don't see any benefit here. The T-34-85 is a slightly less useless T-34-76. If the T-34-76 is useful as a kamikaze unit. That T-34-85 at least can kill Pz.4. 1st veterancy and the absence of any real abilities further aggravates their situation.
It's a premium medium generalist. It being good against the P4 and not heavier tanks is sort of the point, surely?
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Against Pz.4 it is good and ZiS-3 but its does not cost 130 fuel. And to spend 130 fuel for a Pz.4 hunter whose main cannon only scratches the infantry (machine guns do more damage than a gun) oh no buddy, I don't see any benefit here. The T-34-85 is a slightly less useless T-34-76. If the T-34-76 is useful as a kamikaze unit. That T-34-85 at least can kill Pz.4. 1st veterancy and the absence of any real abilities further aggravates their situation.
Only scratches infantry? Since when?
At least according to Stein's Calculations the T-34/85 cannon is very similar in performance to the P4s against infantry... the main difference being a slightly lower "near" distance... and apparently lower max scatter.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H5z6szCfhmAAnDprmgwLzc-viZg4HPhKZshNLErvnck/edit#gid=1619743570
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Against Pz.4 it is good and ZiS-3 but its does not cost 130 fuel. And to spend 130 fuel for a Pz.4 hunter whose main cannon only scratches the infantry (machine guns do more damage than a gun) oh no buddy, I don't see any benefit here. The T-34-85 is a slightly less useless T-34-76. If the T-34-76 is useful as a kamikaze unit. That T-34-85 at least can kill Pz.4. 1st veterancy and the absence of any real abilities further aggravates their situation.
while i agree the T-34-76 is a really bad unit outside of ram kamikaze i do think the T-34-85 is the best medium tank in the game
1. it has more hp than all other mediums soo it can reliably tank an extra shot which would kill any other medium... this scales even more with veterancy as it means the tank is much more difficult to kill and subsequently easier to accumulate veterancy without attrition... the tank also gets some massive veterancy bonuses which helps scale its performance even further...
2. it has massive DPS with veterancy... its ROF with veterancy is almost doubled... other tanks get like 30%-40% boost...
3. it has the highest penetration of the mediums soo it can reliably dish out such damage
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Only scratches infantry? Since when?
At least according to Stein's Calculations the T-34/85 cannon is very similar in performance to the P4s against infantry... the main difference being a slightly lower "near" distance... and apparently lower max scatter.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H5z6szCfhmAAnDprmgwLzc-viZg4HPhKZshNLErvnck/edit#gid=1619743570
In addition to a solid AI cannon, the mgs on the t34s are very solid consistent dps.
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Against Pz.4 it is good and ZiS-3 but its does not cost 130 fuel. And to spend 130 fuel for a Pz.4 hunter whose main cannon only scratches the infantry (machine guns do more damage than a gun) oh no buddy, I don't see any benefit here. The T-34-85 is a slightly less useless T-34-76. If the T-34-76 is useful as a kamikaze unit. That T-34-85 at least can kill Pz.4. 1st veterancy and the absence of any real abilities further aggravates their situation.
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Yes, somebody other than the Nazis makes a comment. Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. It has always been good against other medium tanks and still is, not great, but good. It was also good against infantry. Now, even with two 85s, infantry just stand there and practically take no damage. Now my T85s are running from their own shadows. I mean tell me 1, just 1 tank that has to run from infantry from the Nazi side... think about it.
The t34/85 is not bad against infantry. Where are you inventing this idea from?
Look at the cannon's statistics https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H5z6szCfhmAAnDprmgwLzc-viZg4HPhKZshNLErvnck/edit#gid=1638665511
And also look at it's MGs statistics.
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Just in team game your T34-85 will face King and a group of Panther
But you cant blame, since anything below Panther is too easily dies by Allies TDs
If an Axis player decide to stop at Tier3 and spam Pz4. T34-85 will have an easy time.
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