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Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2020, 03:02 AMgbem

dont use the maxim... its very weak on its own and even more useless if the stuka is around... try the DSHK + 7 man... they synergize well...

for nondoc suppression you have the M5... it works well with double zis to keep off armor and weapon teams while the M5 can deal with blobs and aircraft... as with before the biggest weakness to this is the stuka...

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2020, 04:49 AMSpoof

Can you please watch the replay before posting?

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2020, 08:41 AMAarotron

from 5 minute mark soviet guy had 4 maxims and 2 more coming with no supporting infantry, his ally only having conscripts. You also had small stockpile of mp so you could have bought second mortar to apply pressure on maxims. Flamethrower halftrack would have been ideal there.

Also it did not help that your ally was quite bad, losing halftrack for no reason and charging head first to places where maxims had been set up. your allies were also doing really bad on the other side of the map. Choice of command pnz 4 was rather peculiar. Normal p4 or even ostwind would have served you better.Skipping to brumbar would have also been good choice. Panzerwerfer was still good choice to go for.

Overall at the time you got werfer the match was already sealed. you still got things to improve, but i will say that you teammates were certainly not help to your issues.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2020, 16:09 PMSpoof

Damn, you're right. I totally forgot about the flamer halftrack, I don't really take 4v4s that seriously. I thought the Command P4s infantry gun would be useful but I guess I always overestimate that thing.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2020, 16:15 PMVipper

The gun is average to bad. Valentine has a gun that is better both in AI and AT

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 14:53 PMHannibal

Are you sure about this?
Stat wise the Command P4 gun is quite good vs infantry compared to a normal P4, also MMX's simulation shows that. Can't remember though when I last used the Command version. And while the gun lacks AI power compared to the Valentine it also has another MG.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 14:55 PMVipper

Valentine has a superior gun both in AI and AT and vet faster.

The only thing C.PzIV guns has is reload.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 15:48 PMHannibal

AT yes but AI?
Reload and scatter area are very good on the Command P4. Plus it has the same MGs like a normal P4, so overall it probably does perform decently vs infantry.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 16:00 PMVipper

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Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 16:09 PMHannibal

I think I phrased it ambiguously, but I was mostly comparing to the normal P4. The Valentine is not an option as Ostheer, so this info does not help you if you need something to deal with enemy infantry.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 16:00 PMVipper

C.Panther


Damage drop off for PzIV

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 17:43 PMGbpirate

Do you have the right stats here? is the "C.Panther" a typo on your end?

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 17:43 PMGbpirate

If the stats are correct, it seems like the command P4 would be more consistent in its damage with the higher near radius and lower scatter. Not sure what RoF is for either but CP4 doesn't seem that bad on paper.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 17:43 PMGbpirate

Its buff is really good though, right? Is it still -20% received damage? I feel like it was changed a while ago but to something less powerful but still good.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 16:45 PMVipper

As ostheer one is better off building an ostwind since it comes earlier and is deadlier.

The main reason to build a C.Pz as a fighting unit imo is is one skipped T3 and went straight to T4.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 18:21 PMHannibal

Actually the Command P4 fares very well vs infantry. I just ran a quick test with 6 Valentines/P4/Cmd P4 vs either 6 Volks or Rifles in 1v1 engagements. Although it's hard to tell how much error this test has, Valentines needed between 23-45 seconds to kill the enemy squads, the P4s were both at 20-30/35-ish at range 30.

The Command P4 does not seem to be worse than the Valentine against infantry, rather even better than it. And the P4s themselves did not seem to differ that much.