. Then you have a grenade to wipe the mg and take it after you flank!
You still don't catch a break with that because you have to side tech for smoke.
MG42 over performing
24 Nov 2020, 11:42 AM
#101
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24 Nov 2020, 12:37 PM
#102
Posts: 783
. Then you have a grenade to wipe the mg and take it after you flank!
And its not as if USF doesn't have easy access to tons of smoke without needing to get grenades.
24 Nov 2020, 12:50 PM
#103
Posts: 1515
Oh just close this nonsensical thread. MG42 is fine. It's the best MG performance wise for a reason. Pios have 42 sight for a reason. Smoke it or flank it. Or send one cheap unit to scout first. Just enough with this BS that an MG42 can solo hold an area.
24 Nov 2020, 13:50 PM
#104
Posts: 1392
I'm not happy to say, that HMG overperforms for its price because Pios and Grens suck for their price.
I would like to see some adjustemts to Ostheer's units to allow moving LMG back to T1, or even replace it with HMG34 to make it a doc-unit or middle-late-game alternative.
But making that isn't easy, because line-up and abilities would have to be changed. Because a nerfed HMG42 would be a dead unit, with it the rest will follow. A solution would be to kill some commander units and abilities and make them non-doc. That is my opinion.
All over changes would be:
e.g.
T0:
- Osttruppen (non-doc) price up to 210. Remove T4 LMG42-upgrade, but give 2 weapon slots. Lock Osttruppen's Faust behind T2-tech and remove ability to build bunkers. That would be a bonus for Osttruppen-commanders.
- Pios get AT-grenade (like Brits)
- HMG42 removed, replaced with HMG34.
- PnzGrens
T1:
- Grens get non-doc shock-grenade, Faust lock behind T2-tech, placeholder is AT-rifle-grenade.
- Sniper (untouched)
- Mortar (untouched)
T2:
222 (untouched)
251 (untouched)
PaK40 (untouched)
etc.
But all over.. still not good... xD I would replace Osttruppen-commander's Osttruppen with some upgrades, like into T34 call-in and maybe some upgades for nerfed Osttruppen, like giving back Bunkers and upgrades.
I would like to see some adjustemts to Ostheer's units to allow moving LMG back to T1, or even replace it with HMG34 to make it a doc-unit or middle-late-game alternative.
But making that isn't easy, because line-up and abilities would have to be changed. Because a nerfed HMG42 would be a dead unit, with it the rest will follow. A solution would be to kill some commander units and abilities and make them non-doc. That is my opinion.
All over changes would be:
e.g.
T0:
- Osttruppen (non-doc) price up to 210. Remove T4 LMG42-upgrade, but give 2 weapon slots. Lock Osttruppen's Faust behind T2-tech and remove ability to build bunkers. That would be a bonus for Osttruppen-commanders.
- Pios get AT-grenade (like Brits)
- HMG42 removed, replaced with HMG34.
- PnzGrens
T1:
- Grens get non-doc shock-grenade, Faust lock behind T2-tech, placeholder is AT-rifle-grenade.
- Sniper (untouched)
- Mortar (untouched)
T2:
222 (untouched)
251 (untouched)
PaK40 (untouched)
etc.
But all over.. still not good... xD I would replace Osttruppen-commander's Osttruppen with some upgrades, like into T34 call-in and maybe some upgades for nerfed Osttruppen, like giving back Bunkers and upgrades.
24 Nov 2020, 14:23 PM
#105
Posts: 956
Meanwhile MG34 cries in the corner lol
25 Nov 2020, 05:02 AM
#106
Posts: 888
Meanwhile MG34 cries in the corner lol
That MG is no worse than any other non-doc MG. Actually it's probably the second best after the MG42.
25 Nov 2020, 05:08 AM
#107
Posts: 783
Meanwhile MG34 cries in the corner lol
The only thing the MG34 really lags behind the 42 is in dps. Suppression speed is less then 5% apart from each other, as the MG34 compensates the lower rate of fire with a higher suppression per shot.
25 Nov 2020, 16:50 PM
#108
Posts: 62
Oh just close this nonsensical thread. MG42 is fine. It's the best MG performance wise for a reason. Pios have 42 sight for a reason. Smoke it or flank it. Or send one cheap unit to scout first. Just enough with this BS that an MG42 can solo hold an area.
I said it gives the Ost player a big edge. If you're going to put words in my mouth, go away.
As I already stated, it's not such an easy task when the MG is being spammed and covering multiple angles. This is worse in certain maps. Brits also don't have starting smoke
25 Nov 2020, 16:52 PM
#109
Posts: 62
Meanwhile MG34 cries in the corner lol
Yeah, the 34 is kinda mediocre ngl. It seems to have the same difficulty a Vickers would have with multiple units spaced out. But at least it has that sweet big arc to compensate.
26 Nov 2020, 01:58 AM
#110
Posts: 1979
The only thing the MG34 really lags behind the 42 is in dps. Suppression speed is less then 5% apart from each other, as the MG34 compensates the lower rate of fire with a higher suppression per shot.
the mg42 also has more reliability against cover and terrain due to higher accuracy since apparently accuracy affects suppression against cover and terrain...
26 Nov 2020, 12:46 PM
#111
Posts: 956
The only thing the MG34 really lags behind the 42 is in dps. Suppression speed is less then 5% apart from each other, as the MG34 compensates the lower rate of fire with a higher suppression per shot.
That MG is no worse than any other non-doc MG. Actually it's probably the second best after the MG42.
Well I have advocated for a DPS or an easier vet buff to the thing in the past but as it stands, even lower dps seems to be the continued theme.
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