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yes but if MG1 has the same DPS as MG2 but has less suppression the fact that its doing "less damage" is a disadvantage as opposed to an advantage in this case...
exactly... MG1 has the same DPS as MG2 but MG1 has less suppression... the fact that MG1 is doing more damage is not an advantage but a disadvantage in this case....
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yes but if MG1 has the same DPS as MG2 but (MG1) has less suppression the fact that (MG2) doing "less damage" is a disadvantage as opposed to an advantage in this case...
id guess i couldve worded it better...
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That's an exaggeration. Unfortunately serealia does a poor job at taking into account vet weapon profiles or it's missing several non main weapon such as grenades. Unless you were comparing vet 0 MG42 vs vet 3 Dhska the DPS discrepancy is nowhere near close.
If the guide is correct, they have equal vet values outside of vet 1. The difference between DHska and MG42 is between 25% at the far ranges and then floating between around 35% to 45%
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Which is still wrong. If we both agree that an MG is supposed to suppress first and dmg is secondary, the fact that it is doing less damage is not a disadvantage. Is a by product of been able to suppress unit faster.
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yes but if MG1 has the same DPS as MG2 but (MG1) has less suppression the fact that (MG2) doing "less damage" is an advantage as opposed to a disadvantage in this case...
aight flipped the words
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Look dude it isn't an advantage to be doing less damage no matter the reason.
Lower damage is merely a by-product of the higher suppression. The higher suppression is the advantage, merely because it comes with the lower damage does NOT mean that the lower damage itself is in any way advantageous.
Please stop trying to make this argument, it's absolutely nonsensical.
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Look dude it isn't an advantage to be doing less damage no matter the reason.
Lower damage is merely a by-product of the higher suppression. The higher suppression is the advantage, merely because it comes with the lower damage does NOT mean that the lower damage itself is in any way advantageous.
Please stop trying to make this argument, it's absolutely nonsensical.
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Actually, higher damage is. Detriment to an Mg. Look at the vickers whom notoriously bursts down models. This leads to requiring a target and slowing down pin rate
It has advantages too, like units in buildings and light cars ect but all in all more damage seems to be counter to the primary role of MGs
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Actually, higher damage is. Detriment to an Mg. Look at the vickers whom notoriously bursts down models. This leads to requiring a target and slowing down pin rate
It has advantages too, like units in buildings and light cars ect but all in all more damage seems to be counter to the primary role of MGs
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Its not "counter" to it at all... its just not necessary for it. As long as a model isn't killed before the squad is supressed, more damage is always beneficial. So you know... for the mg42, having 40dps long range wouldn't be a drawback despite the fact that 40 long range dps is an absolutely absurd amount.
As Elchino7 has said, this idea that the Vickers does "Lots of damage" is due to it's low suppression. At least according to Stein's chart it does less damage than the HMG42, it's just that it's low suppression means it kills a model before it manages to suppress (Which reduces damage by half)
Reducing it's damage would not strictly be a "buff", it would be a nerf that "fixes" a somewhat unintended side effect.
I mean, the counter to MGs isn't to run squads full of low HP models at them, hoping the delay between killing them will prevent it suppressing you in time, after all.
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Unnecessary with the potential of ruining the job feels counter to the units role to me.
Its both frankly. Anytime ANYBODY complains about the vickers not suppressing people will chime up about how it kills more though! Perhaps the phrasing should be damage relative to suppression rate? At any rate the mg42 might do more damage as said but the vickers DEALS more damage and that contributes to the fuckery of it not doing its job.
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