Pershing blows - USF Heavy Cavalry

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2020, 20:33 PMPip

.You're doing this thing where you're implying that's A: All REs are good for, and B: Somehow this investment the USF are making is absurd compared to the 200mp (And potentially 30muni) investment that Ostheer arguably always must make?

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2020, 20:36 PMT.R. Stormjäger

USF is designed around crew repairs. Requiring a 2nd RE being built means you spend mp building it that could go on another unit, just so the Pershing can function normally. 2 REs is not the same as 2 Pios.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2020, 20:43 PMPip

How is it not the same as two pios? USF vehicle crews/repairs is a faction bonus

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2020, 20:51 PMT.R. Stormjäger

It’s not a bonus, it’s a tradeoff for not having high armoured units and thus being unable to bounce shots.

Understand the factions before you comment on their balance.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2020, 21:09 PMPip

Like the Soviets (nondoctrinally)

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2020, 21:13 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Soviets go double CEs (170mp extra vs 200mp) to spam mines just to survive. Also flamer is essential to their early game. Not sure why the comparison to USF, REs can’t get a flamer and usually just get 2 zooks and a sweeper, then run around helping repair or shooting tanks.

Crews, smoke and moving accuracy are not bonuses. Bonus implies it’s an extra. They’re not extras. Without them it would be laughable to compare the USF and Ostheer vehicle rosters.

Look man, you're not arguing in good faith here.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2020, 21:52 PMWunderKatze

My complaint and ask for a repair ability comes from the observation that my Pershing spends a lot of time repairing compared to my tigers.

The combination of low armor and low RE repair rate causes the Pershing to spend lots of idle time and overall I the Pershing has a lot less presence on the map than I would like it to have...

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2020, 22:09 PMVipper

A Panther firing on Perhsing at range 50 has 81% chance to penetrate and 84% chance to score a hit.

The chance to do damage is 68% to do damage.

A M36 firing at range 50 on Tiger has 75% chance to penetrate and 99% chance to score a hit .


The chance to do damage is 74% to do damage.

Chances get even better for M36 if it uses AP round or if it vets...

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2020, 22:16 PMSelvy289

You probably already know this but the ap round is a skill shot, you more than likely miss the panther due to its speed.

Also, you get a cue if the player is firing a skill shot because the turret won't track and lock in place (goes through objects, best used when not in sight).

In turns of vet, the panther would have a huge mobility advantage thanks to blitz (and slight armor) over the pershing while the pershing would have accuracy.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2020, 22:51 PMVipper

I am talking about the M36 "T30E16 HVAP-T Armor Piercing Rounds" not the Pershing's "Fire M93 HVAP Armor Piercing Round".

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 03:06 AMthedarkarmadillo

the USF privilege of actually complaining about needing an engineer to heal the tank is unbelievable... an engineer that can get AT or BARs to support no less. most factions do that actually, and less than half the others can slap guns onto their engineers to make them more than repair bots. and as DREADFUL as it is to take 30 whole seconds to heal 320 damage, that's actually kind of the point of dealing damage...

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 00:51 AMSelvy289

Wow, my failed reading comprehension.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 00:51 AMSelvy289

Anyway, looking at the pershings ability has to offer it is criminaly overpriced.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 07:49 AMVipper

No problem happens


It is probably a bit pricey (in line 17p's) but:
400/350/300 penetration
240 damage
has world piercing
I am not sure but it probably has extended range also.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2020, 08:07 AMSelvy289

It has 70 range. For a single skill shot and (a bit far fetch) that can bounce off the kt (super slim chance vet 2 brummbar) its quite alot for 90 muni. I know its different but it makes me think of the ISUs concrete piercing round (which is underrated) that is 70 muni that is great against everything that no one uses.

Its just a tad too expensive. Matching the ISU concrete round price (70 muni) and upping it pen would do because most armor will be to mobile with the only exception of crippled or heavy tanks.