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OKW

Battlegroup HQ

Reinforcement and healing options switched around
Cost from 200mp/25fu to 100mp/5fu
Now automatically comes with medic upgrade. Reinforcement deactivated
Unlocks ISG (and access to the HMG 34 from T0)

Motorized Support upgrade added. Cost 100mp/20fu. Unlocks Uhu and 251/17

Medics upgrade replaced by Forward Operating Base upgrade. Costs 200mp/15fu. Unlocks reinforcement and access to the Forward Retreat Point
FRP still requires T4 teched to activate; T4 requires activation of the Motorized Support Upgrade

OST

Jaeger Light Infantry Upgrade

CP requirement from 2 to 1
In light of Grenadier G43 weapon changes, the Jaeger Command Squad will now receive 2x PGren G43 instead of 3x Gren G43 to let them keep their small firepower advantage over a regular Grenadier squad

LMG Grenadier Sdkfz.250

Vet 3 bonus of call-in Sdkfz.250 Grenadier squad now changed to be the same as regular Grenadier vet 3 bonus (from Received Accuracy to Received Damage)

USF

Sherman M2HB (All Variants)

Upgrade time standardized to 35s
Cost standardized to 60
Damage profile of 76mm 50cal standardized to standard M4A3 75mm 50cal

M2HB .50cal

Setup time from 1.375 to 2.375

ALL

M3/M5 Halftrack

Med crate option for M3/M5 halftracks now correctly added to all variants

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Global Changes

Rocket Artillery
In order to make rocket artillery more of a strategic weapon, to be used in conjunction with an active assault or defence rather than just bombarding the enemy as much as possible, all veterancy cooldown bonuses will be reduced.
All veterancy cooldown bonuses reduced to a total of ~20% (compared to up to 40% previously)
Stuka vet 1 cooldown bonus removed. Vet 2 bonus reduced from -30% to -20%
Katyusha vet 2 cooldown bonus reduced from -40% to -20%
Panzerwerver vet 2 cooldown bonus reduced from -40% to -20%
Calliope vet 1 cooldown bonus from 9% to 11%; vet 3 (third) cooldown bonus removed (total cooldown will be -20%)
Land Mattress will be addressed below along with other changes to it

Panzerschreck
In order to make Panzerschrecks a more viable option against light vehicles, its far accuracy is being increased. As compensation, its damage is being reduced. This will make the alpha strike potential against vehicles slightly worse (decreasing the effectiveness of âSchreck blobsâ), while the higher accuracy should keep the total damage per minute roughly similar.
Damage from 120 to 100
Accuracy from 0.069/0.052/0.028 to 0.069/0.052/0.036 (for example chance to hit a T-70 at long range goes from 50% to 65%)

Flamethrowers (and incendiary grenades)
Currently flamethrowers and incendiary grenades take so long to set fire to (stone) garrisons that it is simply not a viable option. Reducing the time/amount it takes should encourage more active counter-play to infiltration units or against key garrisons.
Time to set fire to garrisons reduced by 50%
Amount of incendiary grenades required to set fire to garrisons also reduced by 50% (this should give OKW a more viable stock tool to deal with FHQs)
Does not affect other flame weapons like the 251, ISG/mortar incendiary barrages and Wasp

Sandbags build time for mainline infantry
Sandbags are a pretty big part of the power level of mainline infantry which is why outright removing them would be too big of a change. Increasing build time however should give players a more tactical choice where and when to build them, rather than just spamming them everywhere their mainline infantry goes.
Sandbags build time for all line infantry increased by 25-50%
Build time for Conscripts and engineer units not affected

Heavy Machine Gun Teams crew spacing
To make HMGs more potent against frontal assaults and to fix the issue of the "gunner death loop", a change will be made to the crew formation when not in any cover. Two crew members will stand in front of the gun and will therefor be targeted first rather than the gunner, giving the HMG more time to suppress the incoming infantry. This should not affect the effectiveness of flanking manoeuvres.
Formation changes; when in the open, two of the crew members will now stand slightly ahead of the MG.

M3/M5 Halftrack (all faction variants)

The M3 and M5 halftracks are given more utility with a healing option. M5 quad AA power is being reduced to become more in line with other similar units.
All unupgraded halftracks can now drop a single med crate for 15 munitions
Quad upgrade AA power reduced (values to be determined later)

Quality of Life changes (some inspired by Bao's mod)
Manual force reload ability added for all HMGs
Vehicles garrisoned with infantry units will now be able to capture points directly (this will enable direct capture orders and queueing capture orders)
UI icon added to unit card for OKW Panzer Commander Upgrade (using a binoculars icon)
Added research/construction icons (appearing next to unit cards) for Ostheer Battlephases and all similar sidetech for other factions so players can see their progress without having to select the relevant tech building
ATGs now spawn at their production building
Snipers will no longer target vehicles automatically
Vehicle Priority toggle added for all infantry equipped with anti-tank weapons
Garrisoned units (including a Raketen in a garrison) should remember their priority settings
All units capable of anti-air will have an ability added that forces them to target airplanes
Ground deformation caused by Demolition Charges reduced
Fallschirmjaeger FG 42 weapon upgrade fix to resolve issues with disappearing weapons and upgrade icon

OKW

Battlegroup HQ
In order to make it easier for OKW to back tech to medics and indirect fire, and give OKW access to support weapons (HMG and ISG) faster to increase build diversity and strengthen their early game options, the Battlegroup HQ's reinforcement and healing options are being switched around, and the HQ is being split into two parts.
Cost from 200mp/25fu to 100mp/5fu
Now automatically comes with medic upgrade. Reinforcement deactivated
Unlocks ISG (and access to the HMG 34 from T0)

Motorized Support upgrade added. Cost 100mp/20fu. Unlocks Uhu and 251/17

Medics upgrade replaced by Forward Operating Base upgrade. Costs 200mp/10fu. Unlocks reinforcement and access to the Forward Retreat Point
FRP still requires T4 teched to activate; T4 requires activation of the Motorized Support Upgrade

Schwerer Panzer HQ
Change to the cost split of the structure and Panzer Authorization costs, in order to make fully upgraded Obersoldaten come sooner, as well as the doctrinal vehicles. In addition, as a reactionary vehicle, the Jagdpanzer IV can be placed in the first stage as well.
Cost from 100mp/60fu to 100mp/90fu. Panzer Authorization from 100mp/60fu to 100mp/30fu.
Stock SPHQ now unlocks Obersoldaten with access to weapon upgrades; Jagdpanzer IV, and the doctrinal Ostwind and Hetzer
Panzer Authorization unlocks Panzer IV, Panther and access to Tiger II. Also activates the flak gun.

Sturmpioneers
Some quality changes to Sturmpioneers to make their abilities (including the med crates) easier to use and to make their anti-tank package more viable to increase strategic diversity.
Concussive Grenade cost from 30 munitions to 25 munitions
Cost of Panzerschreck upgrade from 70 munitions to 60 munitions
Panzerschreck upgrade no longer mutually exclusive with Minesweeper upgrade.

Flak HT 251/17
The 251/17 is still not very popular due to how vulnerable it is, and how clumsy it is to use. By giving it slightly higher penetration, it should hopefully be slightly better at fending off enemy light vehicles. Veterancy requirements are reduced to help it scale faster to make it a more competitive choice compared to the Mechanized HQ light vehicles.
Penetration from 30/30/30 to 40/40/40
Veterancy requirements from 880/1760/3520/4750/5750 to 790/1580/3160/4270/5120.

Stuka
The Stuka can be very hit-or-miss, because barrages can be devastating (especially to team weapons) but can also be dodged very easily (by infantry). By reducing the AOE damage but adding suppression, the unitâs performance should become more lineair: less wipey but also more reliable. The added suppression should also give OKW a good anti-blob platform. These changes will also make it perform better against emplacements and lightly armored vehicles, while making it worse against tanks.
Rocket AOE nerfed. Rockets now cause suppression similar to the Panzerwerfer
Rocket penetration from 0/0/0 to 40/40/40. Rocket AOE penetration from 200/180/162 to 40/40/40. Deflection damage from 40 to 50 (all identical to other rocket artillery)
Incendiary Barrage moved from vet 4 to vet 1 (with additional adjustments if needed)
Vet 4 replaced with -25% cost of Incendiary Barrage ability
Fuel cost from 100 to 80-90

Jagdpanzer IV
The Jagdpanzer IV is a great unit that is very good at its job. However, due to its characteristics (geared towards countering medium tanks) its use is somewhat limited, which means its population cost is relatively high compared to similar vehicles. This is being adjusted.
Population cost from 16 to 14

Panther
The Panther is one of the few vehicles in the AT vehicle class that doesnât get an accuracy bonus with veterancy.
Vet 2 now also gives +20% accuracy

Tiger II
The Tiger II is in a fairly good spot since the last changes, but its very high population cost makes it hard to give it the support it needs in order to function well. To improve synergy between the Tiger II and the rest of the army composition, its population cost is being lowered.
Population cost from 23 to 21

Jagdtiger
Now that the unit has been brought down in both performance and cost, the population cost will be adjusted to be in line with the now-comparable units (the Elefant and the ISU-152).
Population cost from 22 to 21

Opel Blitz truck
Now that it has a healing option and has become more like an ambulance than a halftrack, the unitâs health is being reduced to make it more vulnerable. This should discourage its use as a frontline unit.
Health from 240 to 160
Armor from 7/5 to 4/1.8 (same as Ambulance)

Assault Package (Feuersturm)
The flamethrower upgrade for Sturmpioneers is a very good upgrade, but it leaves OKW painfully vulnerable to enemy mines because they canât easily get a second engineer squad for minesweeping due to the high squad cost. Making the minesweeper upgrade available alongside the flamethrower upgrade should make this doctrinal choice more viable.
Flamethrower upgrade for Sturmpioneers no longer mutually exclusive with minesweeper (can now upgrade both)

Artillery Flares (Special Operations)
Due to the uncounterable nature of the artillery flares, the ability is being overhauled completely. Instead, it will now give a vision bonus to units which should be very useful when fighting in a particular area.
No longer gives vision on its own
Flares are now a visual indicator only (that the ability is being used)
Now gives every (player owned) unit within proximity of the ability +50% sight range for the duration of the ability
Ability is now activated by designating a particular resource sector. Ability is extended to all adjacent territory sectors

Command Panther
Due to recent adjustments to call-in units and the Command Panther itself, some further adjustments to this unit are made to make it more attractive to use and to make its deployment in line with other call-in vehicles.
No longer mutually exclusive with the Tiger II
Now has cooldown upon destruction

Command Tiger I
Calculations show the Tiger was slightly more affected by the AOE adjustments compared to the other heavy tanks. Reinstating the veterancy scatter bonus (although in a reduced form) should compensate this.
Vet 2 now gives -10% scatter (was -20% previously)

105mm Howitzer Barrage (Scavenge)
This barrage is a good offmap with a unique mechanic, but due to the very high requirements this unique mechanic is rarely applied in practice. Splitting up the requirements into smaller chunks should make it more viable to use this ability strategically.
Interval requirements changed from 5 extra shells per 300 munitions interval to 2 extra shells per 100 munitions interval

Tiger, Jagdtiger & Tiger II cooldown
With all heavies now having a cooldown upon destruction, OKW has an unfair advantage with their stock heavy tank (Tiger II) as it can be called in immediately after one of the other heavies is destroyed (or vice versa).
Now share cooldown (so for example if a Tiger is destroyed, this also resets the cooldown for the Tiger II)

OST

T1 / BP1 adjustments
In order to make strategies to rush Panzergrenadiers and light vehicles on top of T0 call-in infantry slightly less potent, tech fuel costs are being reshuffled. This should make Grenadier-based strategies more attractive.
Fuel cost of Infanterie Kompanie (T1) from 10 to 0
Fuel cost of Battlephase 1 from 40 to 50

Field First Aid (Grenadier and Pioneer veterancy 1 ability)
Cost is being adjusted to better reflect the performance, more in line with the faction's already heavy dependance on munitions, to make them more viable to use.
Cost from 15 munitions to 10 munitions.

Pioneers
Offensive veterancy for Eastern Front engineer units serves very little purpose, so this is being replaced by defensive veterancy to make them a bit more durable in the late game.
Vet 3 +15% accuracy bonus replaced with -23% received accuracy
Veterancy requirements brought in line with similar engineer squads; from 400/800/1600 to 340/680/1360

Teller Mines
Adjusting the performance and cost of Teller Mines should both increase their availability and make them less oppressive for the enemy, giving a positive net result. With these changes they will no longer instantly kill light vehicles, and will require a follow up (Panzerfaust etc.) to finish one.
Cost reduced from 50 munitions to 40 munitions
Damage from 400 to 320
Now guarantees a heavy engine damage critical on light vehicles

Grenadiers
Grenadiers are getting a small adjustment to their formation to slightly improve their durability.
Squad formation from V-shape to regular shape (similar to Infantry Sections)

Panzerwerfer
In order to make the Panzerwerfer more viable in smaller game modes, where dodging the rockets after hearing them fire is fairly easy (due to the long travel time), but without increasing its power level for larger team games, a second firing mode is added that has some benefits and penalties compared to the standard firing mode.
Secondary barrage added that fires fewer rockets, but in a much lower arc, similar to the Katyusha.
Decreases maximum damage potential but also decreases rocket travel time.

Panther
The Panther is one of the few vehicles in the AT vehicle class that doesnât get an accuracy bonus with veterancy.
Vet 2 now also gives +20% accuracy

Veteran Squad Leader (German Infantry)
-10% received accuracy modifier removed

Jaeger Light Infantry upgrade (G43 Grenadiers)
CP requirement from 2 to 1
Now gives a total of 3 G43s to Grenadiers
Now takes 1 weapon slot
Cost from 45 munitions to 60
Reduced moving accuracy of Gren G43 so that now three rifles have the same total moving DPS as two rifles had previously.
In light of Grenadier G43 changes, Jaeger Command Squad will now receive 2x PGren G43 instead of 3x Gren G43 to let them keep their firepower advantage over a regular Grenadier squad

LMG Grenadier Sdkfz.250

Vet 3 bonus of call-in Sdkfz.250 Grenadier squad changed from -29% Received Accuracy to 0.8 Received Damage to match the regular Grenadier vet 3 bonus

Stug III ausf.E
In order to make this unit a more viable choice, a smoke barrage will be added.
Now has access to a smoke barrage ability. 80 range.

Artillery Field Officer
The AFO is a good unit with a lot of utility, but it can cause a lot of bleed because of its very high reinforcement cost.
Reinforcement cost from 30 to 26

Panzer Tactician
Panzer Tactician is too easy to use because it deploys smoke instantly. By adding a delay, it will become slightly less powerful.
Now has a 0.5s delay before deploying

Tiger I
Calculations show the Tiger was slightly more affected by the AOE adjustments compared to the other heavy tanks. Reinstating the veterancy scatter bonus (although in a reduced form) should compensate this.
Vet 2 now gives -10% scatter (was -20% previously)

Relief Infantry
Relief Infantry is a very weak ability. It is being adjusted in order to make it more attractive to use.
Ability no longer gives Osstruppen squads to replace losses, but instead gives a manpower bonus of ~15 per casualty sustained while the ability is active

Stuka Smoke Bombs
Ability will be adjusted to be in line with similar abilities.
Ability CP cost from 4 to 2 (similar to OKWâs ability)

Command Tank
To make the Command Tank a bit more viable again, the aura is being adjusted.
Received Damage modifier from -10% back to -20%
Aura now only affects playerâs units (no longer affects allied units)

Hull Down
Hull Down is still a useful ability, but itâs a bit clumsy to use because you need infantry squads to dig in tanks (which can take a lot of time). By moving the ability to the vehicle itself, it should make it a lot easier to use.
No longer requires infantry squads to activate. Now an ability for the vehicle itself

Jaeger Armor Doctrine
Jaeger Armor doctrine is incredibly popular because the commander is very versatile, on top of fielding a superheavy call-in vehicle. By replacing the Stuka Dive Bomb, it should give the commander an additional weakness and make it more attractive to pick other commanders instead.
Stuka Dive Bomb replaced with Stuka Anti-Tank strafe (the single pass one)
Elefant can no longer use Spotting Scope upgrade

SOV

Combat Engineers
Offensive veterancy for Eastern Front engineer units serves very little purpose, so this is being replaced by defensive veterancy to make them a bit more durable in the late game.
Vet 3 +15% accuracy bonus replaced with -23% received accuracy

Penals
In order to make Penals builds slightly more attractive compared to Conscripts builds, their build and reinforcement times are being adjusted.
Build time from 32 to 27; reinforce time from 5.4 to 4.5 accordingly

SU-76
A minor fix for the SU-76 that should make it slightly more responsive in target acquisition.
Firing Cone from 2 to 5

T-70
The T-70 is a big part of the Soviet mid game and changing its performance would likely have far reaching consequences, something we canât really afford to find out. Instead, its veterancy requirements are being increased so it doesnât reach its maximum potential as fast as it does now.
Veterancy requirements from 870/1740/3480 to 960/1920/3840

SU-85
The SU-85 is getting some minor adjustments to make it less cost effective.
Veterancy 2 +30% penetration bonus reduced to +20%
Population cost from 15 to 16

Katyusha
The Creeping Barrage ability for the Katyusha has a special scatter pattern that makes it significantly worse than the regular barrage. This will be fixed.
Scatter on the Creeping Barrage ability fixed/removed

T-34 ram (I stand by this idea but it would require testing for further finetuning)
T-34 ram ability is being adjusted to make it less obnoxious for the receiver, and to make ram and offmap combos less potent. These changes should make it perform better against comparable targets (medium tanks) while making it worse against much heavier targets.
Chance to cause criticals removed
Penetration from 160 to 200
Penetration now causes a 8 second stun. Failure to penetrate still causes a 5 second stun

ISU-152
The ISU-152 is getting its rear armor nerfed to a value similar to the Elefant and Jagdtiger, to make it more vulnerable to flanking attempts by Panzer IVs.
Rear armor reduced from 155 to 110

Mechanized Support Tactics & Shock Motor Heavy Tactics
The ISU-152 is an incredibly popular choice because the commanders are very versatile, on top of fielding a superheavy call-in vehicle. By replacing one of their abilities, it should give the commanders an additional weakness and make it more attractive to pick other commanders instead.
IL-2 Bombing Strike replaced with Conscript Repair Kit (or any other ability that is decent/good but relatively low impact) - TBDL

HM-38 120mm mortar
The HM-38 will become slightly cheaper to use, and its barrage AOE is getting fixed.
Cost from 340 to 300
Population cost from 10 to 8
AOE distance now properly correct to 1.1/3/4.5 for both auto-fire and barrage

Rapid Conscription
Rapid Conscription is a very weak ability. It is being adjusted in order to make it more attractive to use.
Ability no longer gives Conscript squads to replace losses, but instead gives a manpower bonus of ~15 per casualty sustained while the ability is active

UKF

Bolster
Now increases cost slightly for new squads after Bolster has been teched.
Cost for 5 men Infantry Sections from 280 (see below) to 300; cost for 5 men Royal Engineers from 210 to 230

Infantry Sections
Changing the squadâs formation should hopefully have the effect of slightly nerfing Infantry Sections when attacking / out of cover, because they are more likely to drop a model faster (most forward model gets focussed), while keeping their defensive performance (in cover) the same.
Cost from 270 back to 280
Squad formation from regular shape to V-shape

AEC
Changing the damage model on the AEC will increase its shots-to-kill (STK) against the most vulnerable 320 hitpoints light vehicles (the 222, the 251, the 221/223 and the the 251/17) by one shot, making the AEC a bit less powerful against them, without changing the STK against the bigger light vehicles with 400 hitpoints (like the Puma or the Luchs). A weapon damage bonus at vet 3 should make it more useful in the later stages of the match to better reward players who keep their unit alive, as the AEC currently somewhat lacks late game scaling.
Damage from 120 to 100
Vet 3 now gives +60 damage (160 total)

Valentine Mk IX
The Valentine will now have to be built rather than being instantly called in.
Now needs to be built in HQ. Build time 60 seconds

Comet
Recent buffs have proven to have increased its performance (and thereby popularity) significantly enough that the accompanying cost reduction can be reverted.
Fuel cost from 175 to 185

Medic squad
Due to the buggy nature of the squadâs automatic healing, it is being replaced.
Automatic healing removed
Replaced with ambulance-like AOE healing ability that locks squad into place and slowly heals units in proximity over time

Land Mattress
The Land Mattress is receiving some small buffs to make it more in line with other rocket artillery.
Heavy cover damage modifier from 0.5 to 1 (similar to most other rocket artillery)
Reinforcement cost from 45 to 30
Veterancy reshuffled to give: vet 1 +33% damage, vet 2 -20% cooldown on barrages, vet 3 -25% cost on WP barrage.
(Used to be vet 1 -25% recharge / vet 2 +33% damage / vet 3 -25% recharge)

Lend Lease Assault
In order to make the Lend Lease Assault doctrine a more viable choice across multiple game modes, one of its abilities is being replaced to give the doctrine more late game power.
Vehicle Crew Repairs replaced with Strafing Support (from Vanguard)

Resupply Halftrack (Special Weapons Regiment and M5 Halftrack (Lendlease Assault Regiment)
CP requirement is going down to be in line with the other M3/M5 halftrack call-in options.
CP requirement from 4 to 3

Hold The Line
Bugfixes to ability should make it better. A cost reduction might still be in order later.
Hold the Line should now trigger on friendly sectors controlled by Allies
Hold the Line now highlights sectors for all players when active

USF

Riflemen
M1 Garand will be scaled back slightly due to the somewhat bigger than intended results of the previous change. Additionally, an experimental change to their Anti-Tank Rifle Grenades should take away a late game weakness as newly built squads would start with their snare unlocked.
M1 Garand near range from 6 to 5 (was 3 originally)
Vet 1 replaced with -25% recharge time on all abilities (moved from vet 3)
Anti-tank Rifle Grenade now unlocked by any of the following requirements: Mechanized Platoon Command Post, Mechanized Company Command, or both Officers deployed

Sherman M2HB (All Variants)

Upgrade time standardized to 35s
Cost standardized to 60
Damage profile of 76mm 50cal standardized to standard M4A3 75mm 50cal

M2HB .50cal

Setup time from 1.375 to 2.375

M20
Timing for the M20 is being adjusted to give it a slightly better window of opportunity.
Build time from 55s to 35s

Stuart
Fix for the Stuart Shell Shock ability and a small buff for the Engine Shot ability.
Shell Shock ability now (correctly) only stuns vehicle upon penetration. This means it is no longer guaranteed to frontally blind tanks anymore (unless it gets a lucky penetration)
Engine Shot ability range from 5 to 15

Jackson
A small adjustment to the Jackson to make it a bit less cost effective against heavy vehicles.
Veterancy penetration bonus from +30% to +20% (for both shell types)

Ambulance
Without changing the durability of the ambulance (which would have consequences for its very effective use as forward healing and reinforcing in teamgames), this change aims to mitigate the loss of the ambulance in situations where it (accidentally) gets killed in the main base.
Destruction of the vehicle will now give a 50% chance per model of the medic crew to bail out and survive
Medic squad now gets the same AOE healing ability as the British Medic Squad

Pack Howitzer
The Pack Howitzer is receiving further adjustments to tone down its autofire power level while making the barrage better, shifting the power of the unit more towards player input.
Autofire AOE Distance from 1.5/3/4.5 to 1/2/4.5
Autofire scatter from 8.5 back to 6
Barrage AOE unchanged
Barrage recharge time further reduced from 50s to 40s

M8 Scott
The M8 Scott is receiving further adjustments to tone down its autofire power level while making the barrage better, shifting the power of the unit more towards player input. Changes to the barrage scatter should make the barrage more reliable against far away targets in the fog of war.
Damage from 100 to 80
AOE damage from 1/0.25/0.1 to 0.75/0.35/0.2
AOE distance from 1/2/3 to 0.75/2/3
Distance max scatter for barrage from 10 to 6

WC-51
The WC-51 is a bit too good for its very low cost and is receiving some changes to remedy this.
I know a lot of people want more nerfs, but I'd rather take it one step at a time here.
MG range from 45 to 40
155mm Artillery Barrage now requires veterancy 3

Calliope (Urban Assault / Tactical Support)
The Calliope is already significantly more durable than standard rocket artillery due to its high amount of hitpoints, which means itâs very hard to dive with medium tanks because it takes a lot of time to kill one. Its armor is being adjusted so that Panzer IVs will be able to penetrate it at all ranges.
Armor reduced from 160 to 110

P47 Rocket Strike (Airborne)
The P47 Rocket Strike is an effective ability, but the cost is a bit high compared to similar abilities as it hasnât been adjusted since the power of the ability was changed. The cost is being lowered.
Cost reduced from 240 munitions to 200 munitions

Rear Echelon Grenade Launcher (Urban Assault)
The automatic fire will be replaced with a targeted ability in order to equalize the micro investment for both players to use and dodge the grenades.
Automatic fire removed and replaced with a targeted ability. No cost. Recharge 15s.
Performance of the grenade might have to be adjusted accordingly

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My only concern about the OKW change, is the cost not the swapping.

This might be what OKW needs or just push it over the top, as it would be playing efficiently early game.

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Any version of those changes would be an improvement and step towards better balance. All suggestions so far are good (tbh everybody contributed sensible stuff imho) and should be implemented asap. What are we waiting for?

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Just a question, how would the Panzershreck upgrade thing work? Can you put it away and it swaps with the minesweeper, or you can put them both away for the 4 stg squad?

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7 Sep 2020, 19:14 PMachpawel

Any version of those changes would be an improvement and step towards better balance. All suggestions so far are good (tbh everybody contributed sensible stuff imho) and should be implemented asap. What are we waiting for?

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Relic already said that the 1v1 World Championship will be played with the current patch in November and even if I dont like it its at least consequential to let players play qualifiers and the World Cup with the current patch.
BUt after that....PLEASE RELIC let the community do 1 big winter balance patch. There are so many good ideas here; it would be a shame if they would not go live.

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Overall nice changes, the only thing I still don't like is the schreck damage nerf.
As an extra argument against the schreck change is that this handheld AT may be used by plenty of stealth units: ostheer doctrines with ambush camo, stormtroopers and AT partisans. All these squads have the option to fire their schrecks at a really close range where the only thing that matters is the damage. (+ambush camo grants a major accuracy buff to schrecks too, making the extra accuracy mostly pointless for them)
Also stormtroopers and AT partisans don't have the option to upgrade with a second schreck, unlike USF with zooks and UKF with piats.

7 Sep 2020, 19:22 PMjagd wölfe

Just a question, how would the Panzershreck upgrade thing work? Can you put it away and it swaps with the minesweeper, or you can put them both away for the 4 stg squad?

I'm pretty sure you will be able to put away the sweeper only, the schreck stays, just like it works in the live version if your sweeper strums pick up a schreck.

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7 Sep 2020, 19:32 PMUnit G17

Overall nice changes, the only thing I still don't like is the schreck damage nerf.
As an extra argument against the schreck change is that this handheld AT may be used by plenty of stealth units: ostheer doctrines with ambush camo, stormtroopers and AT partisans. All these squads have the option to fire their schrecks at a really close range where the only thing that matters is the damage.
Also stormtroopers and AT partisans don't have the option to upgrade with a second schreck, unlike USF with zooks and UKF with piats.

I agree it is risky. Maybe grens should get some buff in exchange? (though I do understand that Sander believes that overall it would make pzgrens with shrecks more consistent).

7 Sep 2020, 19:32 PMUnit G17

I'm pretty sure you will be able to put away the sweeper only, the schreck stays, just like it works in the live version if your sweeper strums pick up a schreck.

I'd like to see the holstered shreck just to make it in line with the sturmpio original concept. Could also be really fun to see a group of sturms suddenly unholstering their shrecks.

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7 Sep 2020, 19:31 PMSmartie

+1
Relic already said that the 1v1 World Championship will be played with the current patch in November and even if I dont like it its at least consequential to let players play qualifiers and the World Cup with the current patch.
BUt after that....PLEASE RELIC let the community do 1 big winter balance patch. There are so many good ideas here; it would be a shame if they would not go live.

Hopefully that is the future

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7 Sep 2020, 19:37 PMachpawel

I'd like to see the holstered shreck just to make it in line with the sturmpio original concept. Could also be really fun to see a group of sturms suddenly unholstering their shrecks.

No holstered schrecks plz! Play the Ardennes campaign with rangers and you will quickly see it can be quite buggy at times.

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7 Sep 2020, 19:32 PMUnit G17

I'm pretty sure you will be able to put away the sweeper only, the schreck stays, just like it works in the live version if your sweeper strums pick up a schreck.

Playing the Devil's advocate here but this risks being useless.
Who's gonna waste 300mp and 60muni just to have a good ai squad crippled by a single 100 damage panzershreck?

I'd rather see a dedicated squad recruitable from the HQ, hell even with german at rifles.

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7 Sep 2020, 19:49 PMjagd wölfe

Playing the Devil's advocate here but this risks being useless.
Who's gonna waste 300mp and 60muni just to have a good ai squad crippled by a single 100 damage panzershreck?

I'd rather see a dedicated squad recruitable from the HQ, hell even with german at rifles.

It's worth it, cuz sturms get vet faster then which means they become much better at repairing stuff.
As for dedicated squad just use pfusiliers.

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7 Sep 2020, 19:39 PMUnit G17

No holstered schrecks plz! Play the Ardennes campaign with rangers and you will quickly see it can be quite buggy at times.

If it is likely to bug than no of course. But if not then high risk/reward could be cool (lots of munis tied to a 4 men squad if both upgrades were researched).

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Ever thought about rebalancing and resizing Fallschirmjaeger squad like the Brotosh commandos?
They could come with mp40 with stats similar to stens and the fg42 be rebalanced to have a dps curve and cost similar to the Commando bren lmg

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7 Sep 2020, 19:14 PMachpawel

What are we waiting for?

Having the game assigned any developer to work it or any actual face in front of the IP?

People need to start to get realistic. No patch is gonna be done before tournament. IF any patch would be tried post tournament, we are talking about like 2/3 or even more months of different itinerations.

That might be as well the REAL last patch on a 7 and soon to be 8 year old game at that point.

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Removement of direct strikes with both guard isu 152 commander and jäger armour is really nice, especially for team games so you dont have all in one commander with such power.

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Some additional quality of life improvements (working with the mod and UI guys to hopefully realise these):

Garrisoned units (including a Raketen in a garrison) should remember their priority settings
Fallschirmjaeger FG 42 weapon upgrade fix to resolve issues with disappearing weapons and upgrade icon
Manual force reload ability added for all HMGs
Vehicles garrisoned with infantry units will now be able to capture points directly (this will enable direct capture orders and queueing capture orders)
UI icon added to unit card for OKW Panzer Commander Upgrade (using a binoculars icon)
Added research/construction icons (appearing next to unit cards) for Ostheer Battlephases and all similar sidetech for other factions so players can see their progress without having to select the relevant tech building

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8 Sep 2020, 13:45 PMSander93

Some additional quality of life improvements:

Again great changes

Is it really as difficult to implement changes as elchino7 suggested? Or maybe there is a chance for some positive surprises?

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7 Sep 2020, 22:36 PMelchino7

People need to start to get realistic. No patch is gonna be done before tournament. IF any patch would be tried post tournament, we are talking about like 2/3 or even more months of different itinerations.

That might be as well the REAL last patch on a 7 and soon to be 8 year old game at that point.

Completely agree with you, no patch coming until the the tourney is over. But we should lobby hard for a -probably- last balance patch. Would be a great Christmas / New year gift from Relic!
If the mod team would get the approval we could even start testing in October with no pressure because the tourney will be played in November.

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8 Sep 2020, 13:45 PMSander93

Garrisoned units (including a Raketen in a garrison) should remember their priority settings

So I assume it's working as intended then? If so, then I'm glad that I could help.

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8 Sep 2020, 16:02 PMSmartie

Completely agree with you, no patch coming until the the tourney is over. But we should lobby hard for a -probably- last balance patch. Would be a great Christmas / New year gift from Relic!
If the mod team would get the approval we could even start testing in October with no pressure because the tourney will be played in November.

I'm just trying to put realistic expectations based on our current situation. If people expect anything more than a hotfix, then at least 2 months are expected. And i don't think December is the most productive month, so 3 is mostly a given based on previous patches.

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