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It would also remove the point of the ability, there would be no reason what so ever over using any other offmap.
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Yes and an ability that fires howitzers on enemy artillery fits the commander perfectly.
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No it wouldn't, vision is not the point of the ability. Vision is the point of early warning flares, which is on the same commander
All other abilities that do the targeting for you do not spot for themselves
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Early Warning Flares are another problematic ability. Massive uncounterable vision, but uncontrollable where it goes. it feels bad for both sides.
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I agree, I wasn't saying their okay. Just that the the point of that ability is reconnaissance
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Early Warning Flares are another problematic ability. Massive uncounterable vision, but uncontrollable where it goes. it feels bad for both sides.
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Once they fix the range problem on Counter Battery, as it only shoots out to 250. if the leFH can't shoot your base, you can't shoot it. Also, it will need a special high accuracy version to actually hit the artillery its shooting at.
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The ability does not need to be stronger. A one click counter to Lefh costing 30 munition would simply be OP, especially with little counter play.
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But it is close to useless as it is now, in team game. Like in red ball, counter battery cant event reach the front line. It is a badly design ability in a badly design Commander, which is leftover from a badly design faction, which either should get a major revamp or left dead.
Put CB in royal artillery regimen without reworking is as like remove an ability from from Commander. The Commander itself is not event hard counter LEFH spam.
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This is about perimeter over-watch so I will not go into the commander. If you want to debate how good the Ro. Artyllery commander is you probably need to start another thread.
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You was suggesting replace PO with CB, my point is it is not that of a good way. Instead of 1, now we have at leat 2 ability that need to be worked on. Not to mention the 2 commanders will also need to be tweak. Like, how to make CB useful, where will PO go, or what to do with emplacements regimen ?
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Well Tightrope used it incorrectly because none of his base buildings are set up, meaning none of the howitzers participated in barraging the enemy.
Here you see the full effect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDf6SDp1uX0
2 base howi's firing + occassional offmap mortar shells + occassional offmap howi shells.
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The ability does not need to be stronger. A one click counter to Lefh costing 30 munition would simply be OP, especially with little counter play.
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Firstly a few things you have got wrong.
There is counterplay due to how the guns operate, they will target the unit barraging closest. So by using a dummy mortar you can shield any howitzer behind it.
One howitzer 30muni barrage even in range will not reliably kill or decrew a lefh. You need two howitzers for good odds to decrew so 60muni + not bring able to build units. Then the axis can return and repair/recrew.
Axis howitzers can already counter barrage at vet1, it's not op
Brit counter battery can already target howitzers on most 1vs1 maps and even small 2vs2 maps. It's not OP
Yet in 4vs4 it can't hit leigs in the middle of some maps like steppes... It needs a range buff
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I did not get anything wrong, the only thing wrong here is your ability to read.
I guess that in your opinion there is also the same counter play to Lefh counter barrage.
Main difference here is that Lefh can be destroyed and base guns can not (well they can but they can be repaired.)
Never claimed one howitzer will counter LeFH. Read more carefully I was responding to the suggestions to buff the counter barrage ability and pointed at that if counter barrage could hard counter an LeFH it would be OP for 30 munition.
You will have to argue that with people that claim LeFH counter barrage is OP.
Main difference here is that counter barrage requires a LeFH vet 1 that comes after CP 8 while counter barrage is CP 4 (if I remember correctly) and the gun can not be destroyed.
I did not claim that the ability is OP, other simply argued that it needs buffs.
Now can you pls return to the topic which is perimeter over-watch?
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You literally typed brit CB will become a 30muni howitzer counter if the range is buffed.
That is exactly what you just typed because my quote includes what you claimed. You can't back peddle out of what people can clearly read.
I provided reasons to why what you typed is incorrect. It's quite simple.
But I'm more interested into why you think CB shooting at a lefh in 1vs1 is fine but CB not being able to shoot at a mortar in the middle of steppes due to lack of range is good design. I'm not confident you'll be able to read this point, understand it and present your counter argument to why this is apparently fine though.
Once they fix the range problem on Counter Battery, as it only shoots out to 250. if the leFH can't shoot your base, you can't shoot it. Also, it will need a special high accuracy version to actually hit the artillery its shooting at.
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So you are determined to derail a thread because you want to prove wrong although you have trouble reading and understating.
You did not provide reason why what I posted was wrong. You started a list in what you opinion I "got wrong" on how counter barrage actually works and no amount of spin will change that.
The suggestion was:
Which means increase both range and increase that accuracy so that that counter barrage hit the LeFH.
To be clear I will repeat what I have posted since you seem to have trouble understanding in my opinion a 30 munition hard counter to LeFH with extra range and high accuracy will be OP.
You are entitled to think it would not be.
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The derail is not because we debating "counter barrage" in thread about "perimeter over-watch" but because the main reason of SuperHansFan post has nothing to the ability but with eagerness to prove me wrong.
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