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Great work well done, that is allot more informative than opening post.
They could probably see some reduction if far moving DPS while on the move.
Obersoldaten MG34 on the move
14 Apr 2020, 17:37 PM
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Great work well done, that is allot more informative than opening post.
They could probably see some reduction if far moving DPS while on the move.
14 Apr 2020, 17:49 PM
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Which they do. But do they need to rival semi-auto rifles in moving DPS at max range? Because that's the issue I see with this. If obers are in range and chasing, they're shredding you no matter where they are, like an SMG squad would but at 35 range.
They also literally get an ability with vet that lets them suppress. If that's not stand out infantry capability, I'm not sure what would be.
And LMG paras get the similar ability from vet 0 instead of having to wait for vet 4.
With a a much sorter CD I might add.
One could even add the vet 1 ability of Air G. with the plane that also suppress.
14 Apr 2020, 17:57 PM
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Which they do. But do they need to rival semi-auto rifles in moving DPS at max range? Because that's the issue I see with this. If obers are in range and chasing, they're shredding you no matter where they are, like an SMG squad would but at 35 range.
They also literally get an ability with vet that lets them suppress. If that's not stand out infantry capability, I'm not sure what would be.
It's a T4 squad on foot not the Terminator(s). Even the vet V sprint stops once in combat. If they have vet III+ then yes, it's time to press the T button as you've lost too many inf units to that squad earlier.
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14 Apr 2020, 18:16 PM
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It's the most expensive infantry unit in the game
No its not
14 Apr 2020, 19:05 PM
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It's the most expensive infantry unit in the game
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14 Apr 2020, 19:27 PM
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I feel like Obers are in the right place. Shock troopers, rangers etc. also cut down infantry. Why not obers?
14 Apr 2020, 19:29 PM
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Its not ober damage in question, its specifically LMG34 Ober damage while ON THE MOVE.
STG44 obers are supposed to be mobile so it makes sense with them.
STG44 obers are supposed to be mobile so it makes sense with them.
14 Apr 2020, 19:43 PM
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*Cries in infiltration commandos*
*Hugs and comforts*
There there, they'll get their day one of these days.
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14 Apr 2020, 20:20 PM
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I'd agree that it's not a change that needs to happen. I do think it's one that could possibly improve the game though. Lowering the moving accuracy multiplier from .75 to .6 could make obers perform more along the lines of how one would intuitively expect a moving LMG squad to perform.
Also, I'm curious to know what the moving multipliers for the airborne guards DP-28s are.
Also, I'm curious to know what the moving multipliers for the airborne guards DP-28s are.
14 Apr 2020, 21:41 PM
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If obers are in range and chasing, they're shredding you no matter where they are, like an SMG squad would but at 35 range.
Not like an smg squad, but like one model of an smg squad.
14 Apr 2020, 22:16 PM
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They also literally get an ability with vet that lets them suppress. If that's not stand out infantry capability, I'm not sure what would be.
Don't paras do too? I forget their activation costs. My obers usually die before I can get them to vet 4
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14 Apr 2020, 22:23 PM
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Also, I'm curious to know what the moving multipliers for the airborne guards DP-28s are.
Zero percent. They cannot fire those things on the move iirc.
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14 Apr 2020, 23:33 PM
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Zero percent. They cannot fire those things on the move iirc.
Nah, they can. I've checked.
14 Apr 2020, 23:44 PM
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True. If a unit is made static long range combat type then their accuracy is higher along with the DPS in case of Obers. They should not be given such high damage or accuracy on move, infact I was surprised to know that any Axis units have such high sniping ability on move coz you know Axis are built around long range accuracy dependent units and not like Allies who need to close the distance to cause any effective damage.
14 Apr 2020, 23:56 PM
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Nah, they can. I've checked.
COH2db stats has failed me for the last time.
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15 Apr 2020, 00:02 AM
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COH2db stats has failed me for the last time.
Coh2db does not have airborne guards listed.
15 Apr 2020, 00:10 AM
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Coh2db does not have airborne guards listed.
Yeah I realised that I misread and thought he was talking about regular guards. My bad. Had a long night.
EDIT: Can I ask why they have 3 DP-LMGs? Are they worse than the regular Guard's 2x DP-28s?
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15 Apr 2020, 00:32 AM
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Yeah I realised that I misread and thought he was talking about regular guards. My bad. Had a long night.
EDIT: Can I ask why they have 3 DP-LMGs? Are they worse than the regular Guard's 2x DP-28s?
Because they trying to make them "unique". Basically with LMGs they they are AI only with better AI on the and better AI on move.
Unless I am mistaken this are their stats (0/10/20/30):
static 28.1 28.6 26.9 25.9
moving 19.1 20.4 20.5 20.5
drop 68% 71% 76% 79%
(They seem to be even bigger offenders than Obers.)
15 Apr 2020, 00:33 AM
#39
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Because they trying to make unique. Basically with LMGs they they are AI only with better AI on the and better AI on move.
Unless I am mistaken this are their stats (0/10/20/30):
static 28.1 28.6 26.9 25.9
moving 19.1 20.4 20.5 20.5
drop 68% 71% 76% 79%
Okay, thanks Vipper.
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15 Apr 2020, 08:17 AM
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Because they trying to make them "unique". Basically with LMGs they they are AI only with better AI on the and better AI on move.
Unless I am mistaken this are their stats (0/10/20/30):
static 28.1 28.6 26.9 25.9
moving 19.1 20.4 20.5 20.5
drop 68% 71% 76% 79%
(They seem to be even bigger offenders than Obers.)
Yeah that's a bit much. They have relatively low close and mid range standing dps compared to the others(which is fair) but that mobile damage output is really high.
They out damage lmg paras at range 10.
I wouldnt mind seeing the mobile damage brought down to similar levels as the other LMG squads.
LMG infantry should not be so good at chasing down enemies.
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