Are the patches making this game progressively worse?

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 13:56 PMspajn

Cheaper grens isnt gonna give you more mapcontrol late game since all the suppresion and indirect fire that is on field at that point is gonna nuke them to stoneage. It's all about mapcontrol and Tiger was the only thing that gave that.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 13:56 PMKatitof

I wouldn't really call Hans playing with twitch backers is a "fair share of pros", or when other pros do 24h streams and play 4v4 because their brains went into maintenance mode 6 hours ago.

To get to top 20 in 4v4 you have to have 3 friends with stable connection.
For top 10 you need to play at least 3 evenings in a week.
For top 1 you just need have players who are on top 200 level in 2v2.

Its not competitive mode, it never was, it'll never will be, yes, pros play it at times, no they don't do it seriously, outside of Hans, who is a bit too competitive for the mode anyway judging by his reactions there.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 14:02 PMSuperHansFan

If that was true then the likes of Skippy (who has the gameskill of a potted plant at the best of times) would be top 20 years ago.

All modes need skill to break into the top 20.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2020, 09:51 AMEuan

It can be frustrating to have to re-learn how to use units you thought you knew before. It can be especially painful when you develop cool non-meta strategies, and then whole unit or faction designs are thrown out of the window by the balance team and they become useless. It can be annoying that new commanders or units mess up some core aspects of the original design of the game (WFA...).

HOWEVER.

Without the balance patches, this game would have died years ago. Now, the game is probably in the most balanced state it's ever been. If you remember some of the crazy shit we've had over the years, invincible planes, literal win-button abilities, units that could take on armies by themselves...

It's maybe the best RTS ever developed and the changes to it are keeping it alive and interesting, and it's crazy hard to make such a complex game with asymmetric balance. So even if they don't get it perfect (and it can be annoying sometimes ), I think we should say thanks to Relic and the community balance team for making such an awesome game

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 09:47 AMSander93

You do realise that Tightrope is actually on the balance team, right?

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 12:44 PMSuperHansFan

Sorry princess but without 4vs4 Chads there would be no patch and CoH2 would have been left to grow dust like DoW3 a while back.

Be thankful for us, 4vs4 saved the playerbase.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 13:59 PMT.R. Stormjäger

New Brummboi is actually quite good.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 17:05 PMIncendiaryRounds

C'mon man, stop exaggerating. The Brum basically went from 240 to 260 armor and 288 to 312 armor at vet 2. In other words, you're saying this change made the Brum go from unusable to "quite good?"

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 17:15 PMT.R. Stormjäger

I had a Brummboi yesterday with like 40HP, it bounced 2 max range Zis gun shots and 1 close range T34/76 shot and survived. And that's in a day full of life saving bounces. It gets my vote.

That's my opinion, feel free to disagree, but not to dispute it.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 16:57 PMIncendiaryRounds

No, actually I DON'T know. It seems the balance team doesn't want people to know who's in it.

A special thanks to Miragefla and Sander93 is in order […]

Of course, a big thanks to the rest of the community balance team; Reporogue, Sturmpanther, Tightrope, Jae4Jett and support modders Nachocheese and Janne252. […]

Finally, big props to Osinyagov, Kasarov, and Sneakeye for UI art support, as well as for valuable testing input. Additionally, Sneakeye also provided a couple of nifty technical solutions for the update.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 17:24 PMSander93

It's literally right there on top of the patch notes.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 17:23 PMIncendiaryRounds

So we're reverting to anecdotal evidence.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 13:32 PMT.R. Stormjäger

If there was no 4v4 people would be playing 3v3. If there was no 3v3 either then they’d be playing 2v2. Of course there would always be a more casual game mode, developers aren’t stupid.

In most games the casual audience is larger, coh2 isn’t special in this regard.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2020, 18:37 PMWiderstreit

And yes, only balancing for 1vs1 is the most stupid thing someone can do. Something balancing-team checked way too late.