Was DShK overnerfed?
31 Mar 2020, 10:51 AM
#1
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Now, I was all for nerfing the dshka back in the lend lease meta but man that thing is mediocre right now. Should something be done with it? I mean it's the most expensive mg in the game and it's doc, feels like it should have something going for it.
31 Mar 2020, 10:54 AM
#2
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I’m willing to bet money this is Ritter’s alt account.
Also anyone who doesn’t think the Dshka is at least a top 3 MG needs a brain scan, the thing is a monster.
Also anyone who doesn’t think the Dshka is at least a top 3 MG needs a brain scan, the thing is a monster.
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31 Mar 2020, 10:58 AM
#3
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But the mg 42 is stock and better in most aspects? It's even better at combating vehicles than the DShK is
31 Mar 2020, 11:04 AM
#4
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The only necessary change to Dshk is to remove the "sprint" ability.
31 Mar 2020, 11:16 AM
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The only necessary change to Dshk is to remove the "sprint" ability.
No, Dshka has a bugged retreat where it's in slow motion for a couple seconds and the crew clumps up, making it super vulnerable to greandes. Sprint is super critical for making retreats when in danger by bypassing the bug.
It's also not as good as you think, it usually doesn't apply the speed boost as much as you think and I play Dshka every game so I know.
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31 Mar 2020, 11:27 AM
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Dshka is amazing, it just sits in otherwise mediocre doctrines.
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31 Mar 2020, 11:33 AM
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Dshka is amazing, it just sits in otherwise mediocre doctrines.
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31 Mar 2020, 11:44 AM
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No, Dshka has a bugged retreat where it's in slow motion for a couple seconds and the crew clumps up, making it super vulnerable to greandes. Sprint is super critical for making retreats when in danger by bypassing the bug.
It's also not as good as you think, it usually doesn't apply the speed boost as much as you think and I play Dshka every game so I know.
Sprint is an ability that is not suited for HMGs. If it has issues it should be fixed in another way.
31 Mar 2020, 11:47 AM
#9
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DshK is still very strong. You have an incredibly fast pack-up time, very fast suppression, good damage, good anti-vehicle (even without AP rounds), and SPRINT (which is busted, shouldn't exist on an HMG).
I've been running Lend Lease as Soviets for the past few months, and I've stayed in top 200, so it's at least viable. Defensive Doctrine shuts down OKW hard.
I've been running Lend Lease as Soviets for the past few months, and I've stayed in top 200, so it's at least viable. Defensive Doctrine shuts down OKW hard.
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31 Mar 2020, 11:54 AM
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Nah DHSK is fine.
31 Mar 2020, 11:58 AM
#11
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I'd like to see it arrive a little sooner but otherwise it's solid enough.
I'll still take an MG42 over it though.
I'll still take an MG42 over it though.
31 Mar 2020, 12:33 PM
#12
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Nvm, forgot its in soviet airborne, I heard thats pretty good in 1s. 2/3 of doctrines are mediocre then.
Point stands though, Dushka is great, doesn't needy any changes.
The only "problem" i think it has is that it's not really worth a full commander slot, not when you can have Shocks, or Guards instead and steal an MG42 later on if you need it.
I never play 1vs1 though, so my POV is different.
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31 Mar 2020, 14:24 PM
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DShK is not UP, that's for sure. It has really good synergy with T1 build-orders.The only thing, which i would like to see - visual one, AP rounds should have same visual effects, as MG 34/42 have.
31 Mar 2020, 14:31 PM
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One should probably also tone down the Vet 3 bonuses since the unit has allot higher DPS than other HMGs at close range.
31 Mar 2020, 17:57 PM
#15
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I agree with absolutely everyone on how good the Dushka is, but there is one point I still don't understand-the cost.
While it has a VERY small arc, fast set up, sprint, which allows to relocate extremely fast, and extreme suppression, as well as damage, it's good. It's doctrinal and costs...300MP? That's the only thing I don't understand.
All these things before make it reasonable for what it gives, I mean being doctrinal and having a small arc, also having a retreating bug, which I've never personally encountered, thus do not know about, but I think that the unit is already pretty micro intensive. Oh, and not only the arc not wide, but also not long, so that too.
I think it's cost, and only when you order an entire MG team, not a drop, should be lowered to at least 280-290, that's it.
While it has a VERY small arc, fast set up, sprint, which allows to relocate extremely fast, and extreme suppression, as well as damage, it's good. It's doctrinal and costs...300MP? That's the only thing I don't understand.
All these things before make it reasonable for what it gives, I mean being doctrinal and having a small arc, also having a retreating bug, which I've never personally encountered, thus do not know about, but I think that the unit is already pretty micro intensive. Oh, and not only the arc not wide, but also not long, so that too.
I think it's cost, and only when you order an entire MG team, not a drop, should be lowered to at least 280-290, that's it.
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31 Mar 2020, 18:23 PM
#16
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DShK is not UP, that's for sure. It has really good synergy with T1 build-orders.The only thing, which i would like to see - visual one, AP rounds should have same visual effects, as MG 34/42 have.
I would like to see original green tracers for german mgs
31 Mar 2020, 18:27 PM
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Lowering the cost would be a bad idea. Triple Dshka with Quad AA is extremely oppressive and should not be encouraged.
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1 Apr 2020, 09:05 AM
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Lowering the cost would be a bad idea. Triple Dshka with Quad AA is extremely oppressive and should not be encouraged.
If this unit goes well with T1, which is already pretty costly, then lowering the cost is good enough, especially if it's just 10MP or like that.
I mean, if it goes into T2 build instead of the Maxim, it also wouldn't hurt nor heal.
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1 Apr 2020, 10:38 AM
#19
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You could make the Dska into a mg42 clone
It doesn't make sense such a heavy MG is so mobile but limited in defence
It doesn't make sense such a heavy MG is so mobile but limited in defence
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1 Apr 2020, 15:02 PM
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You could make the Dska into a mg42 clone
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