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And the fact that every tank 2 shot it frontaly ... is that also reflected?
While Zis tanking 5 Tiger shots...
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Other at guns can be killed by tanks too, especially when they are close to them. My point is, it can retreat and it makes it more surviable. Other at guns can't do that. Thus, Ilits survaiability imo is similar to other at guns, with the exception of ZiS. IMO Pak with 4 men crew is generally less survivable. But most importantly - rak got buffed and it should be more expensive imo.
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It got a price increase also and some nerfs:
Buffs:
Range from 50 to 55
Crew size from 4 to 5
Nerfs:
Cost from 270 to 290
Camouflage ability now locks the unit in place unless revealed. Cannot move, but can rotate
Requires veterancy 1 for camouflage
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It's the worst AT gun and that's a fact.
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Shouldn't it be?
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I understand. Still, I believe that for two above reasons (1. less manpower OKW will have to spend on infantry; 2. those extra abilities including retrat) it should cost as much as other anti tank guns.
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I think the lack of gunshield, horrific traverse speed, 3 secs minimum to fire after setting up, lack of reverse key (meaning retreating clumps you up for a moment making you vulnerable to grenades when other ATGs just reverse quickly) and bad reload time make it the worst AT gun.
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Don't turn the argument towards whether it should be the worst, I just said it IS the worst.
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I feel that OKW can field too many infantry units early game. If their AT costs a bit more it should be better for the gameplay and make it more even. I want the OKW player to if they risk more infantry squads or an AT gun.
You also said it's abhorrent and it takes 3 seconds to fire. Neither of those things are true imo, idk where you are getting 3 seconds from
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Yeah that's my experience with it. Disagree all you want, I ain't changing it. The unit sucks a$$ IN MY HUMBLE HONEST OPINION!
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You are welcome to your opinion about it being abhorrent, but it does not take 3 seconds to fire
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You set up the raketen, a vehicle is at the edge of the cone. The raketen from completion of the set up bar to actually taking the shot will take about 3 seconds. In the same situation the USF M1 ATG will take about 0.5secs. If you don't believe me go test it.
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You set up the raketen, a vehicle is at the edge of the cone. The raketen from completion of the set up bar to actually taking the shot will take about 3 seconds. In the same situation the USF M1 ATG will take about 0.5secs. If you don't believe me go test it.
I think the lack of gunshield, horrific traverse speed, 3 secs minimum to fire after setting up, lack of reverse key (meaning retreating clumps you up for a moment making you vulnerable to grenades when other ATGs just reverse quickly) and bad reload time make it the worst AT gun.
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You set up the raketen, a vehicle is at the edge of the cone. The raketen from completion of the set up bar to actually taking the shot will take about 3 seconds. In the same situation the USF M1 ATG will take about 0.5secs. If you don't believe me go test it.
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Having just tested this, they both take about 3 seconds to shoot.
This isn't what you said before, you said in ANY situation:
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RW has loner aim times:
RW
Fire aim time near 0.25 - 0.38
Fire aim time mid 0.25 - 0.38
Fire aim time far 0.25 - 0.38
m1
Fire aim time near 0.13
Fire aim time mid 0.13
Fire aim time far 0.13
zis
Fire aim time near 0.13 - 0.25
Fire aim time mid 0.13 - 0.25
Fire aim time far 0.13 - 0.25
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I've seen live action M1 immediately set up and fire at a vehicle at the very edge of its cone. If it's not 100% of the time then it's a bug or something, but it definitely happens and I've lost LVs to it.
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Having also just tested it at no point was I able to recreate a situation where the m1 shot 2.5 seconds earlier than the Rak. Nothing even close to that
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I see it quite often, I'll make a video next time I see it and present it to the community.
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