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29 Feb 2020, 11:37 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Feb 2020, 11:32 AMKatitof

Actually, the upgrade is meant for more emplacement centric gameplay and their maintenance, where LMG would serve them in defending from garrisoned emplacement and getting churchills back into the fight quicker. No identitiy crisis here, just incapability to identify units role.

One can buy bren for that and not suffer the penalty. Mobility nerf that comes with vicker K is simply crippling specially if one tries to use the AT grenade.

The upgrade is also rather expensive for a "support" oriented upgrade.

jump backJump back to quoted post29 Feb 2020, 11:32 AMKatitof

Why fix what isn't broken?

At this point very few things are broken yet patches still go ahead to improve the game. The argument hold no water. This change would be an improvement of the current ability.
29 Feb 2020, 11:43 AM
#82
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Feb 2020, 11:37 AMVipper

One can buy bren for that and not suffer the penalty. Mobility nerf that comes with vicker K is simply crippling specially if one tries to use the AT grenade.

Well, that's your opinion.
I think it adds a nice flavor, gives them something extra and keeps them unique defensive troops instead of assault one as opposed to vanila ones.

In fact, I do believe more upgrades should be side-grades like this one, where you get something and lose something not for better performance, but for different one.

At this point very few things are broken yet patches still go ahead to improve the game. The argument hold no water. This change would be an improvement of the current ability.

Why HGB tho?
There is only one player in the whole community who complained about it - you.
29 Feb 2020, 12:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Feb 2020, 11:43 AMKatitof

Well, that's your opinion.
I think it adds a nice flavor, gives them something extra and keeps them unique defensive troops instead of assault one as opposed to vanila ones.

In fact, I do believe more upgrades should be side-grades like this one, where you get something and lose something not for better performance, but for different one.

Well, that's your opinion.

jump backJump back to quoted post29 Feb 2020, 11:43 AMKatitof

Why HGB tho?
There is only one player in the whole community who complained about it - you.

It is simply impossible for you to avoid going personal eh?

The number of player bring up an issue is rather irrelevant. For instance I brought the balance problem with changes to the HMG-34 which was listed as "bug fix" and had to deal with heavy opposition
https://www.coh2.org/topic/65093/hmg-34-in-dpp

and not only they fixed the issue, they even further buff the hmg-34 with veterancy buff recently.
29 Feb 2020, 13:30 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Feb 2020, 12:52 PMVipper

Well, that's your opinion.

It is, that's why I've presented it as opinion, not a fact.


It is simply impossible for you to avoid going personal eh?

Oh please, you don't even understand what that phrase means anymore, you're using it every single time anyone disagrees with you as a counter argument to everything.

The number of player bring up an issue is rather irrelevant. For instance I brought the balance problem with changes to the HMG-34 which was listed as "bug fix" and had to deal with heavy opposition
https://www.coh2.org/topic/65093/hmg-34-in-dpp

and not only they fixed the issue, they even further buff the hmg-34 with veterancy buff recently.

Sure, bugs are bugs and require fixing, regardless if they give advantage or disadvantage post fix.
If unit doesn't scale well, it gets buffed, that's the life story of conscripts up until now.

But what's the reasonable balance argument about changing HGB?
We've seen plenty of opinions, but nothing that would actually be supported by in-game situation or use.
Papercraft theoretical scenarios are not the same thing as what happens in real game.
You want to fix something that doesn't require fix and can't make any other argument then "I don't like it in its current form" based on theorycrafted scenario that never occurs.
29 Feb 2020, 13:53 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Feb 2020, 13:30 PMKatitof

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No, I am not going to help derail another thread with thing that are completely irrelevant to HGM and the suggestions to improve the abilities.
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