G43's are simply OP

What do you mean?

Last changes for pgren g43 I'm aware of are:

Panzergrenadier and Stormtrooper G43s

G43s for Stormtroopers and Panzergrenadiers are being improved to improve their capabilities at longer ranges.

Panzergrenadier G43 cost from 25 to 50.
G43 Mid accuracy from 0.624 to 0.65.
G43 far accuracy from 0.564 to 0.61.
G43 Far cooldown from 1.5 to 1.
G43 Far aim time from 3 to 2.75.

Sorry, I was ambiguous. I mean in the patch before the one that's live now, G43s were only 25 muni.

G43 on PG is problematic (but not for other units) and I am not sure why there has been so much effort to implement it especially since the ability is not called "g43 upgrade" and could provide other bonuses.

In the end of the day if g43 are a must, simply make the upgrade to provide an extra entity and 5 g43 and redesign the weapon to be closer to Garrand.

Look just how fast they drop models even on retreat, this is just 2 of thousands of examples that happen in every game.

He positioned three squads behind your low health squad's retreat path, which included areas with red cover. You were simply outmaneuvered by a far superior player.

Change those to BAR Riflemen and any equivalent Axis mainline would also have been evaporated. Even Penals would have done a similar job. Heck, even Cons would have a good chance of getting a wipe in that situation given how horribly out of position you were.

G43 pfusiliers might be a little too good. They could drop to 2 G43s for 60 muni, that might be reasonable. I would classify them as overperforming rather than overpowered. I could live with them being in their current state.

But the main thing I'm amazed by is how every video linked in balance forum is always someone getting pwned through his own bad play, and we're somehow supposed to see it as proof of imbalance. You remind me of the guy who posted a video of a combat engineer on red cover dying to Valiant Assault Falls, lol.

For what it's worth I agree with both of you on both issues, but it's simply hilarious watching people humiliate themselves.

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G43 pfusiliers might be a little too good. They could drop to 2 G43s for 60 muni, that might be reasonable. I would classify them as overperforming rather than overpowered. I could live with them being in their current state.
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PF are currently inline with Penals.
2 g43s for 60 munition would probably make them become non cost efficient by comparison. It would also make the G43 cost the same as VG ST44 that is superior close range.

They seem to need some fine tuning but I am not a fun of that suggestion (might also require lower MP cost or something).

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You do realise that you completely ommited the first clip and justified the damage done by the G43's simply on "Superior play", right?

Of course "Every video" shows the player getting "Pwned" its a video demonstrating a unit over performing and the best examples of it, it would hardly demonstrate the unit over performing if I won the engagement now would it... There would be no need for this thread otherwise.

I dont see G43 fuzies over volks in 90% of OKW games because they are balanced and thaats excluding the retarded range and snare from minute 0.

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I dont see G43 fuzies over volks in 90% of OKW games because they are balanced and thaats excluding the retarded range and snare from minute 0.

PF, Grenadier use a different weapon then PG/ST, lets not confuse the issues.

PF are not used over volks 90% of the game. In last tournament PF where built in average of 2 per game so they where used in conjuration with VGs.

PF, Grenadier use a different weapon then PG/ST, lets not confuse the issues.

PF are not used over volks 90% of the game. In last tournament PF where built in average of 2 per game so they where used in conjuration with VGs.

You can't really use the last tournament as grounds, I should make this clear I am strictly talking about Vs UKF.

I just left cheat mod and had a 5 man double bren tommy squad in green cover Vs a Fuzie squad with G43's in green cover, both vet 0.

I kept the tommies in position and sent the Fuzies upto the sandbags of the tommies and had them fight. The Fuzies won with 1 man left. This didnt happen all the time, sometimes the tommies managed to just scrape a win, just try it for yourself.

Do you see the issue with this though? A mainline infantry squad with an 80 muni investment beats another mainline with 80 muni investment + weapon rack unlocks + whatever the costs of bolster is per squad. No additional side tech, no 50+ fuel and 300+ manpower investment to stand a chance.

So what are you supposed to do? You can't beat the pfuzies in the rush for the upgrades to stand a chance in a 1v1 engagement as they gain access as soon as they tech up. If you dont tech up you risk being ruined by LV's and if you dont upgrade you simply lose infantry engagements.

Games are obviously more dynamic that a sterile test environment and I am strictly speaking about this engagement, please dont (Not you) reply with but you should use X on the flank to do a pincer manouver with a 4-4-2 formation pish, its not helpful.

I kept the tommies in position and sent the Fuzies upto the sandbags of the tommies and had them fight. The Fuzies won with 1 man left. This didnt happen all the time, sometimes the tommies managed to just scrape a win, just try it for yourself.

You mean a squad specialising in long range combat with 2 LMGs loses to a squad specialising in manuever and having good short range DPS?

That is indeed a huge tragedy, Tommies must get a huge buff.

Now if only they could build some kind of garrison to combat squads closing in. HMMMMMMMNNN

.. This didnt happen all the time, sometimes the tommies managed to just scrape a win, just try it for yourself.
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I do not doubt your result but I have to point somes fact.

PF cost 295/80 and their combat performance is inline with Penals. (they will many times lose to penal).

In your test most of the engagement took place in PF favorite range which is close vs Bren that have negative DPS close. Bellow range 4 the Enfield is better than the bren.

You would probably similar result if Cav riflemen attacked lmg grenadiers.

So what are you supposed to do?

Cause casualties on approach and retreat when the come close or use suppers/hmg to support your troos.

You mean a squad specialising in long range combat with 2 LMGs loses to a squad specialising in manuever and having good short range DPS?

That is indeed a huge tragedy, Tommies must get a huge buff.

Now if only they could build some kind of garrison to combat squads closing in. HMMMMMMMNNN

Do me a favour and link me a replay of you as UKF vs Pfuzies/Tiger 1 OKW commander

Do me a favour and link me a replay of you as UKF vs Pfuzies/Tiger 1 OKW commander

1) I only keep a few replays of my best games.

2) Don’t pull the playercard argument on me, I’ve got 21 UKF games and I’m higher ranked than you.

1) I only keep a few replays of my best games.

2) Don’t pull the playercard argument on me, I’ve got 21 UKF games and I’m higher ranked than you.

Nothing to do with playercard, im simply asking you to show me a replay. Well seen as though you play "all factions" as you are quick to mock me for only playing UKF, Why not bump it up a bit and play a game? I can almost guarantee that the first game you get will be that commander.

Teach me senpai

Nothing to do with playercard, im simply asking you to show me a replay. Well seen as though you play "all factions" as you are quick to mock me for only playing UKF, Why not bump it up a bit and play a game? I can almost guarantee that the first game you get will be that commander.

Teach me senpai

I’m not mocking you for playing UKF, I’m mocking you for having 2000 games as UKF and completely ignoring the fact you can put Tommies in trenches.

As for playing me, I’ve already beaten you twice before in automatch so I don’t feel like I need to.

And as for Fusiliers, I may use 1 if I feel like it with Grand Offensive. I’d rather have a full Volks army than a full Fusiliers army.

Also please mock me for playing Grand Offensive, not like I’ve been screaming for okw commander variety and fusilier nerfs over the past few months.

I’m not mocking you for playing UKF, I’m mocking you for having 2000 games as UKF and completely ignoring the fact you can put Tommies in trenches.

As for playing me, I’ve already beaten you twice before in automatch so I don’t feel like I need to.

And as for Fusiliers, I may use 1 if I feel like it with Grand Offensive. I’d rather have a full Volks army than a full Fusiliers army.

Also please mock me for playing Grand Offensive, not like I’ve been screaming for okw commander variety and fusilier nerfs over the past few months.

Please read what I put

Nothing to do with playercard, im simply asking you to show me a replay. Well seen as though you play "all factions" as you are quick to mock me for only playing UKF, Why not bump it up a bit and play a game? I can almost guarantee that the first game you get will be that commander.

Teach me senpai

The flaw in the logic is that you attribute the mismatch between UKF and Grand offensive to PF.

The last tournament indicated that UKF where generally weaker than other allied faction and that Grand offensive was OP compared to other OKW commanders.

But PF had little to do with it. Things would probably turn also ugly if the PF where replaced in the commander with something else.

The only version of G43 that seems to be problematic is the PG/ST version.

Please read what I put

I told you to use trenches for Tommies and now you’re asking for a replay of me playing some random OKW guy.

This is 3000 IQ.

The only version of G43 that seems to be problematic is the PG/ST version.

Pgrens are a 4 model squad. Fusiliers are a spammable 6man squad with the same number of G43s as Pgrens, flares and vet 5 sprint. I’m not sure what the comparison is, Pfusiliers are way more problematic imo. G43 Pgrens are high risk/cost high reward.

Pgrens are a 4 model squad. Fusiliers are a spammable 6man squad with the same number of G43s as Pgrens, flares and vet 5 sprint. I’m not sure what the comparison is, Pfusiliers are way more problematic imo. G43 Pgrens are high risk/cost high reward.

they are using completely different weapons...

they are using completely different weapons...

WAIT WHAT

Where does it say that? And why would that be the case WTF why are they both called G43s then???