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Winter balance (1/2020) feedback - UKF

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9 Feb 2020, 12:53 PM
#161
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Yes but according to Tightrope's video they still lose to vet 0 Ass-Grens. And they also don't have sprint to close into units.

And the UKF Officer seems incredibly OP it can charge in against vet 5 Obers from max-range and win. Wtf is this? On top of that the incredibly strong recon plane it's too much.

Was that with or without Thompson?

I did point out the officer only do be attack by usual suspects.
9 Feb 2020, 12:54 PM
#162
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 12:53 PMVipper

Was that with or without Thompson?


There were only tests of vet 0 Ass-Grens vs vet 0 Assault Sections.

No tests of vetted 6 man Ass-Grens vs vetted Thompson Assault Sections.
9 Feb 2020, 12:57 PM
#163
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There were only tests of vet 0 Ass-Grens vs vet 0 Assault Sections.

No tests of vetted 6 man Ass-Grens vs vetted Thompson Assault Sections.


Well given that UKF design they do not actually have to be better than "assault grenadier", I am not sure why they lose since their stat are comparable and should be about equal fight might had been RNG or test parameters.

Actually I use the doctrine allot in 2vs2 and it already quite good, one should be careful with buffing them.
9 Feb 2020, 12:57 PM
#164
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 12:52 PMVipper

Flare is not ok especially combined with "concentrated fire operation" (or Typhoons)


there are not much time when you can make those kind of combinations.
9 Feb 2020, 12:59 PM
#165
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there are not much time when you can make those kind of combinations.

That is little to justify the flare and it the combo is very easy to pull.
9 Feb 2020, 13:00 PM
#166
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And the UKF Officer seems incredibly OP it can charge in against vet 5 Obers from max-range and win. Wtf is this? On top of that the incredibly strong recon plane it's too much.


Can you provide the test, cause this seem extremly hard to belive ?
9 Feb 2020, 13:03 PM
#167
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I don't see how Assault Tommies are going to be a viable option when they aren't even better than Assault Grenadiers and come in a mediocre doctrine. Meanwhile Ass-Grens come with Tigers.
This doctrine is not bad but only good for early game.
Of course without heavy tank, offmap or lategame arty this doctrine will always be unpopular but still fun.
If u ask me i would change repair ability to slow offmap that kills howitzers. Repair ability stick to british wolverine. And then you have commander that is viable for all mods.
9 Feb 2020, 13:03 PM
#168
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Can you provide the test, cause this seem extremly hard to belive ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCZntDLfOA

starting at minute 14 there is a series of UKF officer tests vs grens volks obers pgrens etc.
9 Feb 2020, 13:05 PM
#169
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCZntDLfOA

starting at minute 14 there is a series of UKF officer tests vs grens volks obers pgrens etc.


Thanks man.
9 Feb 2020, 13:10 PM
#170
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCZntDLfOA

starting at minute 14 there is a series of UKF officer tests vs grens volks obers pgrens etc.


it is vet 3 officer close in vs vet 5 ober, officer win 1 out of 3 test with 1 model left, i will say there is RNG in that match up..
9 Feb 2020, 13:19 PM
#171
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The Assault Officer does seem a little too good based on Tightrope's videos.
9 Feb 2020, 13:21 PM
#172
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so summary the test:
- Vet 0 officer close in vet 0 unupgraded gren in open: officer have big chance of win with 2/3 model left.
- vet 0 officer close in vet 0 lmg gren in gren cover: officer often win with 2 models left.
- vet 0 officer close in vet 1 vg in open: officer often win with 2 models left.
- vet 3 officer close in vet 5 vg in open: officer win with 4 models left.
- vet 3 officer vs vet 3 pg in cqc: officer win with 2/3 models left.
- vet 3 officer close in vet 5 ober in open: officer often lose, win 1 time with 1 model left.
9 Feb 2020, 13:24 PM
#173
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I think it's the extra man that's doing it. That's a big power spike for a squad like that.
9 Feb 2020, 13:24 PM
#174
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As i see, vet 0 perfomance of the officer vs axis mainline is more than accepable for a limited to only 1 unit, stumpio and pgren do the same or better vs tommy for years by now and dont event limited to 1.
9 Feb 2020, 13:34 PM
#175
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at vet 3:
- officer match up vs vet 3 pg stat from close range, officer is a cqc specialis vs pg is mid to close squad, win for officer is understandable. i think both side will have a fair chance in real game when grenade come in to play.
- vs vet 5 ober, officer have small chace, if green cover was in, it would be outright for ober, nothing to be question about.
9 Feb 2020, 13:39 PM
#176
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as if ass gren come in as 4 man.


And? Assgrens aren’t a stock unit and it’s quite cover dependant. UKF also has the UC stock to abuse assgren starts.

But sure, cry more in a post that has nothing to do with assgrens. I just pointed out that they come in as 5men while UKF squads are 4 men.
9 Feb 2020, 13:50 PM
#177
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And? Assgrens aren’t a stock unit and it’s quite cover dependant. UKF also has the UC stock to abuse assgren starts.

But sure, cry more in a post that has nothing to do with assgrens. I just pointed out that they come in as 5men while UKF squads are 4 men.


may be you will want to check post #156 from mr blvckdream. Her start compare ass gren vs ass section, you are the one who reply to him about ass section come in 0cp 5 man and that lead to my reply of ass gren being the same 0cp 5 man call in.

and, i dont know why you bring in ass gren not being stock here since we was talking about two doctrinal unit that is ass gren and ass sections. and saying ass gren is cover dependant is extremly meaningless as it is an assault unit which happen to have vet 0 sprint.
9 Feb 2020, 13:59 PM
#178
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 13:24 PMLago
I think it's the extra man that's doing it. That's a big power spike for a squad like that.

Part of the problem. The units was moved 2.5 earlier and become available for 200 manpower less.

It simply does not need to be that strong. Imo tt should be closer Ass IS and have extra utility (anti garrison) with an incendiary grenade (VG style). Then it could become T0 unit.

That would help vs garrison and countering Ass. gren.
9 Feb 2020, 14:07 PM
#179
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 13:59 PMVipper
Part of the problem. The units was moved 2.5 earlier and become available for 200 manpower less.

It simply does not need to be that strong. Imo tt should be closer Ass IS and have extra utility (anti garrison) with an incendiary grenade (VG style). Then it could become T0 unit.

That would help vs garrison and countering Ass. gren.


I think upgraded Assault Section/Cav Rifle is probably about the sweet spot, yeah. The current officer fights like an elite CQC squad.

If it needs to scale to Elite level, perhaps a pair of weapon upgrades behind Hammer and Anvil? Four Thompsons in Hammer, two Elite Brens in Anvil?
9 Feb 2020, 14:08 PM
#180
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There were only tests of vet 0 Ass-Grens vs vet 0 Assault Sections.
...

they where 3 test Ass. IS vs Assa. Gr.

Assa. Gr. won 2 with one damage model left.

Ass IS won 1 with 4 model lost. That is RNG. They seem to be pretty close.
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