Winter balance (1/2020) feedback - UKF

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 12:38 PMVipper

Problem is both with design and the performance:
Offices like artillery officer, sturm officer, JLI command, commissar arrive later and are designed more for utility and less DPS.

There is little reason for the current implementation of assault officer.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 12:45 PMSander93

Two of the ones you posted (Sturm Officer and Jaeger Command squad) are actually excellent and very cost effective combat squads. Heck even the Commissar is pretty strong.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 12:45 PMSander93

The Assault Officer will fit right in. Strength is its main purpose, the UKF doesn't need any more utility.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:10 PMVipper

Actually the only thing UKF needs is utility they have lost of damage. What they lack basic tools like early anti-garisson.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:16 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

They do not have a CQC squad which cripples them on tight maps right now

This is the entire reason the officer has been made a tech unit. Have you tried reading the patch notes? They're illuminating.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:10 PMVipper

Both Sturm officer, J command and commais come at CP 2 not CP 0.5. The strum officer start with rifles and pistol so does the commissar...One does not S.O. or Comm. for their DPS but for their utility

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:10 PMVipper

Soviet/USF do not have a stock CQC and they are fine...

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:19 PMSander93

The Sturm Officer starts with Obers rifles, which are good from cover even with only three of them. A vet 5 Sturm Officer is only slightly worse than regular Obers for a much cheaper price. Players definitely get this squad for DPS too and not just utility.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:19 PMSander93

I'm also not sure where you got this 0.5CP from. The time for the Platoon Command Post to come online and getting enough manpower to buy the Assault Officer for regular builds will be around 1.5 at least. Sure you could rush it I guess, but you might as well straight up surrender doing that.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:22 PMVipper

Try PC after 3 unit in a 2vs2.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 12:45 PMSander93

Two of the ones you posted (Sturm Officer and Jaeger Command squad) are actually excellent and very cost effective combat squads. Heck even the Commissar is pretty strong. The Assault Officer will fit right in. Strength is its main purpose, the UKF doesn't need any more utility.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:29 PMLago

How does it stack up against other elite infantry? Assault Sections in particular, as the Assault Officer fills a very similar role.

Also, has there been any further discussion on the intended direction of the Vanguard Glider? Buffing Vanguard seems like a bad idea.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:24 PMSander93

And leave yourself completely vulnerable to Axis lights? I doubt that will be viable.
Especially in 2v2 the UKF need either the AEC or Sappers as fast as possible so they don't get completely pushed off the map by 222s or other lights.

I doubt three units, no bolster into the Officer will be any good anyway. The vet 0 Officer isn't that powerful.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:29 PMLago

Also, has there been any further discussion on the intended direction of the Vanguard Glider? Buffing Vanguard seems like a bad idea.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:44 PMSander93

I'm not too worried. Some UKF commanders aren't used much anyway and the good ones (Royal Arty, Royal Engineers, Lend Lease and Mobile Assault) each have unique enough advantages. And the Crocodile will probably move to 10-11CP.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 11:21 AMVipper

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:44 PMSander93

I'm not too worried. Some UKF commanders aren't used much anyway and the good ones (Royal Arty, Royal Engineers, Lend Lease and Mobile Assault) each have unique enough advantages. And the Crocodile will probably move to 10-11CP.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 15:06 PMLago

Commando will be killed stone dead if you give its glider to Vanguard.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 14:10 PMVipper

Both Sturm officer, J command and commais come at CP 2 not CP 0.5. The strum officer start with rifles and pistol so does the commissar...One builds the S.O or Commissar for their utility not their DPS.




Actually the only thing UKF needs is utility they have lost of damage. What they lack basic tools like early anti-garisson.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 15:36 PMblvckdream

Can we maybe add the Assault Sections to doctrines that have some sort of late-game capability in 2v2?

Right now Lend Lease is a decent doctrine for 1v1 but garbage for 2v2. No heavy tank, no off-map, no loiter, nothing. All you get is crew repairs which is nice but really not even close to being enough to deal with Axis heavy tanks. That means using Assault Sections is never going to be viable in 2v2. I wonder why the balance team even bothered reworking them when they are limited to one mediocre doctrine.