How To Base Kill OKW as USF

Uploading for the hilarious moment at the end.

Had some nice Stuka dodges and Stuart micro.

Double 30 cal LMG is still ridiculous.

Double USF on Crossing new meta? Guess it works against terrible Axis strats?

Oh the salt in the stream was pretty delicious. I enjoyed it.

https://www.twitch.tv/unkn0wn_l3gend/v/97534114 1:04:00 or so. Enjoy.

havnt seen it yet,but one of ez way to kill okw units+base=coli OP

To be honest, the way the game ended was the way it should have. Ciez your one of the best people in the game, your hands are good with the keyboard. Of course your gonna win. It would be a cold day in hell if we beat you. Thats just fact. There is a large margin in skill difference between us two. Trust me believe me you, salt was there, salt was real. Salt ended the second i close the game. Check my hours, check my streams. Im not competitive, and frankly i dont give a shit. Good pride post, thought the base rape was funny. But man, i personally would not have even thought to upload it to a fourm that is hardly used. Guess some people have different ways of enjoyment.

Always meant to ask you, why do you feel the need to insult so many people so often? Flattering that you'd take the time to make an image for me though. #affected

@Intelligence, seemed like we all thought the base push at the end was humorous/entertaining so I figured other people would as well. I didn't even realize it was happening till it was almost over since I wasn't on comms with LoveYouAll. Not a pride post at all. Was just a fun game, thank you for that Mr. Gopher.

Always meant to ask you, why do you feel the need to insult so many people so often? Flattering that you'd take the time to make an image for me though. #affected

Typical Ciez...always playing the victim. You contribute nothing to these forums except salt. This is exactly the results you wanted when you created this pride post. I'm glad you liked my meme! It was pretty easy to find, just google fat harry potter and you get Ciez & Gabe Newell.

Typical Ciez...always playing the victim. You contribute nothing to these forums except salt. This is exactly the results you wanted when you created this pride post. I'm glad you liked my meme! It was pretty easy to find, just google fat harry potter and you get Ciez & Gabe Newell.

How am I playing the victim? I didn't ask why you insult me, I couldn't care less about your opinion of me. I asked you why you were mean to (seemingly) most people. I don't watch your stream often but I don't think I've ever watched it where you have restrained yourself from insults. Was a simple question that should been given a simple answer, but instead you avoided the question completely and attacked me instead.

P.S. - it isn't a pride post when you upload a replay of a nobody that you've never come close to losing to. Dunno why Blue wastes his time with you. He should be able playing with much stronger players.

How am I playing the victim? I didn't ask why you insult me, I couldn't care less about your opinion of me. I asked you why you were mean to (seemingly) most people. I don't watch your stream often but I don't think I've ever watched it where you have restrained yourself from insults. Was a simple question that should been given a simple answer, but instead you avoided the question completely and attacked me instead.

You create a thread to insult people then get mad when they fire back at you? You don't care about my opinion so you re-watch an entire stream just to create a drama post? STFU Ciez! Straight answer: I don't like you or your buddies so if you want to start shit don't be surprised when I insult you for being the degenerate that you are.

P.S. - it isn't a pride post when you upload a replay of a nobody that you've never come close to losing to. Dunno why Blue wastes his time with you. He should be able playing with much stronger players.

As Blue already said the game ended as it should have, no surprises there. So my question is then why the post? Was it to show off your new blob/retreat/repeat strategy? No, it was to add salt and drama like everything you touch. Keep pretending like you or your clan are even relevant.

*GRABS POPCORN* #MVGame

Stop using the "how to XXX" PAULA format.

Ciez paula's footman CONFIRMED #MVGame

My issue with this game, imo, is how USF rifles are able to gun down retreating units so easily, how much bobbing pays off, how my opponent clearly double MT, and blobbed his way through victory. Im talking about me vs iloveyouall. Maximum cheese paid off with little risk. A game that is increasingly becoming like starcraft. blobbs still have no punishment. Unless i get a lucky stuka, or expert HMG play, its just being crushed by the weight of rifles..

I personally feel like i out played my opponent, just saying.

There are ppl out there who can only win by playing the OP cards.

Must be hard being a strategist these days.

Good thing Relic didn'g give a damn about you during the patches.

men,stop it pls .

My issue with this game, imo, is how USF rifles are able to gun down retreating units so easily, how much bobbing pays off, how my opponent clearly double MT, and blobbed his way through victory. Im talking about me vs iloveyouall. Maximum cheese paid off with little risk. A game that is increasingly becoming like starcraft. blobbs still have no punishment. Unless i get a lucky stuka, or expert HMG play, its just being crushed by the weight of rifles..

You're definitely right about double-upgraded USF rifles being crazy strong. Probably too strong. Allowing squads to get double BARs/LMGs has been a problem for a long time. You would have thought that Relic would have learned their lesson when they took G43 + LMG42 combo away from Grens years ago.

Heck, probably a year ago now Relic played around with the idea of preventing squads from getting two weapons but... sadly nothing came of it.

As for the blobbing, I tried to blob as little as I could but 2v2 on crossing leaves very little room to flank/maneuver especially since it normally plays out as two 1v1s on each side of the map - for the most part our game followed that trend.

I think we would have had a harder time winning if one of you had managed to get a squad or two of LMG Obers out, but even that can be a feat against aggressive USF play. And, given enough early aggression, the Obers are still going to be fighting an uphill battle if they're up against double-upgraded Vet 3 rifles. Rifles are just so efficient and scale so well now.

The double mortars was from me, I don't think Love got one. I just had extra manpower lying around between teching since you guys ignored my side early, I didn't really bleed - figured the mortars would be a nice investment because they're crazy on that map and the USF mortar is just stupid.

All in all I did get lucky with a few Stuka dodges. Somehow none of my rifles ever got wiped despite going down to low hp/one man squads from the base hits. I was proactively dodging as best as I could, but still lucked out with some guessing of where they would land.

Not trying to brown-nose you in any way but I think if you wanted to work a little harder at getting better you could be quite a good player Gopher. Just depends on how much you feel like investing in a dying game.

You're definitely right about double-upgraded USF rifles being crazy strong. Probably too strong. Allowing squads to get double BARs/LMGs has been a problem for a long time. You would have thought that Relic would have learned their lesson when they took G43 + LMG42 combo away from Grens years ago.

Heck, probably a year ago now Relic played around with the idea of preventing squads from getting two weapons but... sadly nothing came of it.

As for the blobbing, I tried to blob as little as I could but 2v2 on crossing leaves very little room to flank/maneuver especially since it normally plays out as two 1v1s on each side of the map - for the most part our game followed that trend.

I think we would have had a harder time winning if one of you had managed to get a squad or two of LMG Obers out, but even that can be a feat against aggressive USF play. And, given enough early aggression, the Obers are still going to be fighting an uphill battle if they're up against double-upgraded Vet 3 rifles. Rifles are just so efficient and scale so well now.

The double mortars was from me, I don't think Love got one. I just had extra manpower lying around between teching since you guys ignored my side early, I didn't really bleed - figured the mortars would be a nice investment because they're crazy on that map and the USF mortar is just stupid.

All in all I did get lucky with a few Stuka dodges. Somehow none of my rifles ever got wiped despite going down to low hp/one man squads from the base hits. I was proactively dodging as best as I could, but still lucked out with some guessing of where they would land.

Not trying to brown-nose you in any way but I think if you wanted to work a little harder at getting better you could be quite a good player Gopher. Just depends on how much you feel like investing in a dying game.

Honestly, is it even Relic's fault that this game is (slowly but surely) dying? Or is it just SEGA who stopped giving them the ressources to work on this game?

Anyway Relic offered us an opportunity to fix the atm most rough balance issue soon by asking the community. This would have been imo the double lmg +arty spam cheese. So just limit M1919, Bren and Vickers k to 1 per squad and reduce rocket amount of Land matress/ rocket damage of CalliOPe and it would have been FINE AT ALL! Thats 3 small changes only! People should have chosen the option "Other" then, but I think its the freakin USF mortar who won the poll https://www.coh2.org/topic/56967/relic-wants-your-vote-about-balance

Honestly, is it even Relic's fault that this game is (slowly but surely) dying? Or is it just SEGA who stopped giving them the ressources to work on this game?

Anyway Relic offered us an opportunity to fix the atm most rough balance issue soon by asking the community. This would have been imo the double lmg +arty spam cheese. So just limit M1919, Bren and Vickers k to 1 per squad and reduce rocket amount of Land matress/ rocket damage of CalliOPe and it would have been FINE AT ALL! Thats 3 small changes only! People should have chosen the option "Other" then, but I think its the freakin USF mortar who won the poll https://www.coh2.org/topic/56967/relic-wants-your-vote-about-balance

I wish Relic or Sega or whoever is in charge would hand over balance to a community committee of some sort. We have a lot of talented community members Generals Gentlemen, Cruzz, Miragefla, Firesparks all come to mind as having accomplished a lot through mods. I'm sure some subset of them (and others) would be fine pushing out community patches once a month or once every other month. Lots of games have gone a long way on grassroots, community style support. DoTA, SSBM, AoE 2, AoE 3 (not quite as much as AoE 2), WoW, and others that I am sure I've missed. Our community has the talent and the motivation, but it is being sucked dry daily because of a complete lack of effort on Relic/Sega's part.

They've also had a terrible patch record historically. Whatever system they use for internal Q&A/game versions has to be the absolute worst out of any game I've played. It is appalling how often long-dead bugs get reintroduced to the game and then left to fester for months at a time.

We know they're working full-force on DoW 3 and that they're a small studio with limited resources. That's fine, but please... whoever has the decision making power needs to wake up and realize that this is gaming in the 21st century. Communities want to be involved, they want to feel appreciated (we're the ones providing their means of living after all). If you can no longer support the game on your own (obviously they cannot) and you have a community that WANTS to help you support the game... hand it over. At least let us enjoy the game for a little while longer, and let us help it reach the potential that it has, before DoW 3 comes out and this game fades into non-existence.

This replay thread is probably the wrong place for a post like this... but you did bring up a good point Aerafield.

So just limit M1919, Bren and Vickers k to 1 per squad and reduce rocket amount of Land matress/ rocket damage of CalliOPe and it would have been FINE AT ALL! Thats 3 small changes only!

Absolutly right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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