October 9th Balance Patch
8 Oct 2013, 21:37 PM
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does anyone know if the zis barrage bug is adressed?
8 Oct 2013, 21:41 PM
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Hooray for Ladder Decay!
8 Oct 2013, 21:51 PM
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I read two words "Ladder Decay" and I'm happy. The rest is gravy 
8 Oct 2013, 22:10 PM
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Sweet!
8 Oct 2013, 22:15 PM
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does anyone know if the zis barrage bug is adressed?
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ZIS AT Gun
Corrected an error in previous patch; shots fired from barrage ability set back to 6.
8 Oct 2013, 22:37 PM
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Ladder Decay, oh man, can't wait.
8 Oct 2013, 22:51 PM
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ty, dident see it when i skimmed through the text.
sloppy of me
9 Oct 2013, 06:47 AM
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And what does Ladder Decay mean? Some kind of reset?
9 Oct 2013, 07:05 AM
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And what does Ladder Decay mean? Some kind of reset?
Well, basically it should mean that player's rank is decreasing through time, when he's inactive. This is to make rankings fresh all the time, resulting in (hopefully) forcing top players to be active again, as well as giving a chance to those wannabes who normally couldn't be on the top cause some top players could've just safely stopped playing after reaching very high streak/ratio, not willing to risk it.
I hope we'll get some details on how this mechanism exactly works.
9 Oct 2013, 09:25 AM
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Ah, thanks for the explanation.
My opinion: If you want to be on the top you have to play and win. Getting a rank because someone who is better then me doesn´t play fore a while sounds wrong and undeserved.
My opinion: If you want to be on the top you have to play and win. Getting a rank because someone who is better then me doesn´t play fore a while sounds wrong and undeserved.
9 Oct 2013, 11:28 AM
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I not catch livestream.How can i watch now? Relic twitch channel want password !?
9 Oct 2013, 12:09 PM
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Ah, thanks for the explanation.
My opinion: If you want to be on the top you have to play and win. Getting a rank because someone who is better then me doesn´t play fore a while sounds wrong and undeserved.
Fanatic - there are some issues with non-decaying ladders - for example some players have been able to build up a very enviable record early on when many new players are on (thus getting many easy wins and few losses) also taking advantage of exploits like the free fhq's before they are patched can allow people to take an unassailable position in terms of win/loss ratio that may be hard to better through normal play. Ladder decay means that patch and balance changes become irrelevant to ladder positions across time and you can clearly see who is mastering the 'current' build
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9 Oct 2013, 12:40 PM
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Anyone who got to a high rank using the free FHQ's will fall back down if their skill isn't up to par with their Elo. Decay just means they can't abuse exploits to get a high Elo and then sit where they don't belong when the bug is fixed. If they manage to hold the position that FHQ's catapulted them to, then they actually belong there and the bug just made them get closer to their true Elo faster.
9 Oct 2013, 16:33 PM
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Okay, point taken. Makes sense but still, this system has its disadvantages.
9 Oct 2013, 16:43 PM
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At what rate does ladder decay happen?
9 Oct 2013, 17:40 PM
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No idea but I imagine it should be quite slow or maybe only affect 'dormant' rankings -ones which have had no activity for a period of time?
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9 Oct 2013, 17:49 PM
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Okay, point taken. Makes sense but still, this system has its disadvantages.Most, if not all, systems do.
Decay will promote an active ladder and the players who can climb will feel rewarded by no longer being #2 after a player who hasn't played since beta.
You call it undeserved, but what merit is there in someone who hasn't played in 2-3 month being #1? Far more warranted if he would be here to defend his position, would you not say?
9 Oct 2013, 18:13 PM
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Most, if not all, systems do.
Decay will promote an active ladder and the players who can climb will feel rewarded by no longer being #2 after a player who hasn't played since beta.
You call it undeserved, but what merit is there in someone who hasn't played in 2-3 month being #1? Far more warranted if he would be here to defend his position, would you not say?
It could be a she!
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9 Oct 2013, 19:04 PM
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At wat rate does ladder decay happen?
I've asked for information and have a bit to share with you.
We're going to be fine tuning this over the upcoming weeks until we settle on something that we're fully happy with. This was something that you guys have been asking for for awhile and the balance team and myself were pushing for, so I'm glad to see it get into today's patch.
Basically if you haven't played for X days (currently set to a week) then we decrement the top 200 rated players per leaderboard by (rating - 1000)*Y where the current value for Y is set at 4%.
The mathless version is that if you don't play for a week you'll start to drop in rank bit by bit until you either play again, or you drop out of the top 200.
Again these values may be adjusted, so your feedback on how it's working is important.
9 Oct 2013, 19:20 PM
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Why change like EVERYTHING?? This is like making a new beta.
Why nerf/buff units that are already balanced and not just nerf/buff units that isnt?
"Let's just change everything and hope for the best"
Why nerf/buff units that are already balanced and not just nerf/buff units that isnt?
"Let's just change everything and hope for the best"
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